Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Blake tells it like it is......and I have to agree




Our good buddy Blake recently posted a great little speil that I found both illuminating and true...


Almost every online community I've ever been a part of, or even examined in retrospect for historical purposes, has ultimately dissolved. Of those that are still around, most are spiraling the drain. As someone who's been online now for over 20 years(!), it's kind of interesting to me to examine why, and also why there are a few that persist.

The simplest answer to why could probably be reduced to: It's just too big a pain in the ass to maintain. There's not a lot of money in it most of the time. Most of the time, there's no money at all. But I've seen this happen on CompuServe in the pre-web days, too, where genuine income streams were given up rather than put up with the hassle.

But hassles—serious ones, anyway—don't just arise. They're created.

And it always unfolds the same way. There is always (at least) one person who is at cross-purposes with the community. You could call them "trolls" but that's not really comprehensive enough a word. "Traitor" would be a good word, even though they often wouldn't see themselves that way, like Benedict Arnold, or someone who's trying to save the community from itself.

I was in one community where a person like that came in with about five others and systematically and cruelly mocked the regulars. The owner decided "free speech" and those people managed to drive off almost everyone who had made that place their home for years. Most of the locusts, as I envisioned them, left pretty soon after that, including the main troll who managed to offend the owner. trounce the rules, etc., enough to be ejected.

That was a particularly dramatic example. Usually, the treasonous ones are subtler, because in most cases the person who owns the community will defend overt attacks, and people will naturally bind together and fight off interlopers. So, they're covert.

The most insidious ones can foment trouble without ever being fingered. Or even better, for a community's destruction, they can become a bone of contention around which people side. Best of all is if they can fracture a community along principled lines. "Free speech" is a popular one. "I don't want to hang out in a place where we aren't free to post pictures of dismembered babies!"

The people who are like this can be hard to spot, especially if you're guileless. They present a picture of trammeled innocence. They were just minding their own business when baseless attacks were suddenly leveled.

It's never a regular dispute, where people blow up, and then they either get over it (or they leave): A slight is never forgotten, and is always repaid, and repaid, and repaid. Slowly but surely the troll drains the fun out of the community while increasing the burden on the community owner. It's not a wonder that online communities eventually dissolve, but they stay together for any length of time.

Probably the key characteristic of community traitor is a complete inability to communicate. Nothing ever, ever gets in. And they're good at faking it—pretending to respond, like a super-advanced Eliza program—but there's never any real indication that anything ever permeates to their being. (The essence of receiving communication is to be changed by it, after all.)

This isn't true just for online communities of course.

Which brings me to the ones that I've seen thrive: They're all united around a real world purpose. Technical matters, religion, a genuine craft, something that both requires an effort to be a part of and has a put-up-or-shut-up aspect.

In the purely virtual, we hang to imagined threads. No exactly imagined, but really co-created. The community exists because we say it does. We have shared values in some fashion. But our understanding of those values is imperfect, and all it takes to shred a virtual community is someone to come in and push the boundaries of that understanding, to point out the weaknesses, and to drive people to those corners.

It's a shame but I've seen it happen so many times over the years I'm practically inured to it. I think if I were going to start an online community now, I'd do it around an activity. Like, I don't know, bowling

80 comments:

chickelit said...

I was in one community where a person like that came in....and cruelly mocked the regulars.

Lindsey Meadows

Darcy said...

Sort of. But Lindsey is more annoying than actually hitting the mark, isn't she?

chickelit said...

Lindsey is like Penny but with a meaner edge. Yes, more annoying than destructive.

Trooper York said...

Unfortunately I read that thread on the recomendation of another commentor.

That person seems like a guy trying to post as a girl.

And I thought the back and forth was really, really bad.

I don't know why anyone would want to participate in something like that.

I don't want that to happen here.

I wonder what I can do to stop it.

chickelit said...

That person seems like a guy trying to post as a girl.

My impression too. It reminds me a bit of J.

Darcy said...

It did get pretty awful.

I don't think we're going to get into anything like that at TY. And if it happens, if you just said "knock it off" I'll bet that would do it.

But again, I don't think we care to get into heavy subjects here.

Trooper York said...

I know Darcy but some people by their very appearance just cause all these problems.

As blake says they just cause the problem.....I hope I could nip it in the bud....but I don't know.

Titus said...

I looked up Lindsey Meadows and I got a wiki page saying she is a porn actress.

Is that the same one?

What are you guys talking about/

You guys are pros at this stuff.

The Dude said...

How about movies that feature bowling? They are better than actually wearing rented shoes.

AllenS said...

That was well written.

ricpic said...

Titus and me don't do community that well. That's not meant as a snarky comment. Ya see, my problem, my only problem with what blake wrote is with the word community. I mean to what extent can any of these sites, these forums, be communities? I get it that the more like minded the participants the better. But how close can the participants ever get? For those who make actual personal connections beyond the site it's another matter. But as to commenting on this site or any other site you (meaning me) try to say something lively and/or additive to the conversation (I also tease a bit) and...and what?...well, that's about it. As to conflict? Is it really worth it to get all het up about a jerk who contradicts you or tries to goad you into anger?

Maybe that's why TOP doesn't bother me all that much, I mean all the idiot conflict on it, because EBL sets a rich table in terms of subject matter. But adults can agree to disagree on that matter and a hundred other matters without becoming enemies.

Darcy said...

But how close can the participants ever get?

Well, Althouse and Meade got married. ;)

But good question. I would say that it's up to you to determine what you want out of an online community. If you want to have connections to people beyond just online, I think that's there, too.

Michael Haz said...

Excellent essay, Blake.

The downfall of some blogs is the anonymity they provide so anyone can create a false identity. The false identity is used to say things the commenter wouldn't dare say under his/her real name.

And that anonymity grants the freedom to attack, to lie, to distort and to be an asshole.

I comment a bit at TOP. I've learned to gloss over names I know to be trolls or assholes. And if the comment thread goes long, well, screw it. If you can't comment in the first 10% of the topic, forgetaboutit.

There is an obvious pattern over there. Topics are regularly started to encourage the insult and ridicule of religious faith. There is the thrice-weekly paean to gay marriage. And the thinly veiled hoax of "cruel neutrality."

It is wearying and tiresome, as is the call to civility all the while encouraging and seemingly favoring the commentors who are the most uncivil.

The pathology is obvious. It is a neediness, a way of saying many times every day "look at me, love me, love what I say and do. Love what I see and where I go."

Amuse me, entertain me, hold my attention; but don't presume that I'm co-dependent.

blake said...

Back when this was all pretty novel, back in the '90s, I pitched a book on that topic, ricpic.

One of the stories I wanted to include was that of a woman donated a kidney to someone she'd never met in person.

So--yeah, it can be real. It's just usually very tenuous.

The Dude said...

Whoa, Mr. Haz hits another one out of the park.

blake said...

Thanks, Haz, and everyone else who liked it.

To the rest of you, die in a fire.

(See what I did there?)

The Dude said...

Yeah, you made me laugh!

Titus said...

I liked what Michael said and understand what Blake said.

Personally, my only experience in commenting on blogs are Althouse and Troop. I don't comment or really even read any other blogs. The only sites I go on are Drum Corps Sites and Yelp and Travelocity-I love seeing food and restaurant and city reviews.

I am obsessed with anything Wisconsin Supper Club sights. And I fucking love going on Chamber of Commerce sites to see what different communities are like. Types of restaurants, cost of going out to dinner, is there Italian food actually pretty good even though it is in Spooner Wisconsin. From there I go to Realtor.com to see how expensive it is to live there, and then lake cottages for sale in that area and dog friendly lodging in those areas and then demographics of those specific places. I love to know average family income, how many married/non married live there/places of interest-parks, events, etc. I am also very interested in what people do for work in these places/ The ratio of education/non education and how that equates with salary. Average age of the place. What is the industry in these places and how well does that industry pay. That's the shit that interests me.

What I like most is seeing businesses that I would not think would be located in these locations based on my preconceived perception. And how these businesses that may sell, for example, fancy cookies, market themselves in these communities that may not be very wealthy and how they succeed.

I find all the political blogs overwhelming and boring.

I also love to see pictures of Friday Night Fish Frys at supper clubs and in Wisconsin and what they choose for their fish. Haddock? Cod? Blue Gills? Perch? Walleye? And I am also very interested in where they actually get these fish? Are they all from Sysco? To they actually get them from the lake their restaurant is on? Are they lake or ocean? Walleye is lake, natch, and I read most of them restaurants get them from Canada.

The thing that actually interests me least is gay shit, believe it or not. I have done it, had it, smelled it, been robbed by it, etc. BUT if I went somewhere I would want to feel like I wasn't going to get the shit beat out of me because they could tell I was a fag. BUT, sex is still incredibly important and my antennae is always up for it, but it must pursue me.

Chip S. said...

Trooper said...
I don't want that to happen here.

I wonder what I can do to stop it.


Can't you just delete a bad apple from the Approved List? Or are we impossible to get rid of once we're in?

As for "Lindsey Meadows", I'm actually looking forward to her first encounter with Seven Machos.

rcocean said...

Probably the best commentators are those who post under there real names. Of course, some of can't do that 'cause we're posting on company time using the company computer. Not me of course.

But I respect those who proclaim to the world "I'm X and I'm an asshole"

Michael Haz said...

@Titus - Have you seen the Wisconsin Supper Club movie?

It's a look at some of the real classic joints.

TTBurnett said...

Perfect comment, Michael. You've nailed it, as ever.

Personally, I don't go there. I've looked at it once in maybe six months. I have no idea, and don't care who Lindsey Meadows or anyone else over there is.

Each to his own.

MamaM said...

Having had my own encounters with deceptive and destructive behavior within community, here and in church and work communities elsewhere, I agree with much of what has been said.

Communities are co-created. They are subject to subtle and not so subtle influences, both from within and without. Because they are made up of living and dynamic organisms, they face change, they grow, they die, they reform, they split, they dissolve, they become something other than what they were when they originated. Those willing to commit to a common cause or open themselves to honest relationship within community have a good chance of seeing their community thrive. At least for a time. They also stand a good chance of being cast out or leaving due to unresolved conflict or differing views on how to handle and negotiate crisis and change. Some will separate to form new communities, some to pursue other goals.

In my experience, communities and families operating with "fixed roles" in which one person or group focuses solely on their needs and dominates or dictates how others are to act in set/assigned positions only they can hold (like heros, stars, sweethearts, queens, scapegoats, clowns etc. including teh gay!) tend to be less healthy and functional than those where turn taking, inquiry, curiosity, disagreement and acceptance are practiced. This second way of relating is messier and harder to maintain than the first. It's also less easy to control.

What is the purpose and point of the Trooper York blog and the "community" forming around it? I'm not sure, but I stated where I'm at with it earlier this month, around the same time Blake was forming this post:

I know I enjoy the humor, camaraderie, ribbing and most of the stories presented in this venue where "things are not as they seem" is the predominate theme. I appreciate the opportunity to laugh, shake my head, consider what's pleasing or bugging me, form my own opinion and choose to encourage or dissent without some nameless "we" to dictate my behavior.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Blake is very insightful. That was a great piece of writing and something that is good to remember not only on line but also IRL.


and...what is Lindsey Meadows?

Chip S. said...

what is Lindsey Meadows?

Start w/Darcy. Then take away all her grace, all of her insight, most of her ability to craft a sentence, and divide her IQ by 2.

Then you've got Lindsey Meadows.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Probably the best commentators are those who post under there real names

I post under an alias for several reasons, none of them nefarious.

First...it was actually illegal for me to be posting on the internet when I was a Series 7 and Series 65 rep. All of my electronic communications were supposed to be archived and monitored by a representative of my broker dealer and I could be fined and lose my licenses if I were seen to be giving financial advice on the internet. I didn't give financial advice but the firm was very strict. SO I just created Dust Bunny Queen

Second: there are a lot of very nice people on the net, like here for example....but also a few not very nice people who when I was posting stuff on UseNet and other chat groups, threatened to stalk me and harm me physically and sexually. I live in a very small town and it would not be hard for those kinds of people to figure out who I am and exactly where I live. So...discretion is the better part of valor.

In this forum, because I think you all fall into the first category (nice) I have been more relaxed and share more information about where I am, in general, how I like to live and personal stuff.

Michael Haz said...

@DBQ - I understand your need to use a fictitious name. I held the SEC licenses for a time and was equally careful.

Your reason for anonymity is different from some others at TOP who seem to use fictitious names solely because it affords them the opportunity to be jerks while cloaking their identities.

Your posts have never required anonymity for that kind of reason.

The Dude said...

I hide behind an alias because I don't want those whom I piss off here to hunt me down and kill me.

Also, all my customers are communists, and they tolerate no dissent from the party line. If they learned that I was not one of them my business would suffer.

I am working on that first issue. The second, well, until the number of local commies decreases I will continue to use an alias that, if they possessed even a tiny bit of intelligence, would see right through.

blake said...

There's nothing wrong per se with hiding your identity.

There's particularly nothing wrong with adopting a single anonymous identity. No one has a right to know stuff about you if you don't want them to (and you're not using your bio for rhetorical purposes or to get deference or whatever).

There's nothing wrong with adopting multiple identities. Sometimes it just happens. (I'm "movieqigue" at Ace of Spades, and my blog is Bitmaelstrom, but mostly I go by "blake".)

Ritmo's changed his identities several times and people say "AHA!" But he's always been upfront about it. He's not trying to get away with anything.

There's not even anything necessarily wrong with sock puppeting. It's a running gag at Ace's. In one forum I was in, some guys thought it would be funny to pretend to be a pedophile. It wasn't, but the intention wasn't malicious.

If you're the sort of person willing to wonder about the ethics of hiding your identity, you're not the sort of person who's a problem.

Chip S. said...

I used to post under a pseudonym.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Ritmo's changed his identities several times and people say "AHA!" But he's always been upfront about it. He's not trying to get away with anything.

He changes his name, but not really identity. You can always tell it is him.

I don't bother trying to be multiple personalities on-line, because I really suck at trying to change my writing style. It is always me, so why go to that trouble.

blake said...

DBQ--

Yeah, I tried once, in that same community, to do a sock puppet. Nobody caught me till I fessed up, but tt was just too much work.

Chip S--

What was your pseudonym?

ndspinelli said...

blake, Superb. A suggestion for the blog name, "Let's go bowling Dude."

AllenS said...

My first name is Allen and my middle initial is S. A lot of people know my last name. I wonder how many people figured out my full name. It isn't that hard. I chose that option because I've always said what I believed and I'm not going to hide behind an alias to say something unpopular. I've always provided an email address if people ever felt a need to contact me.

I do have a sockpuppet, AlgonquinS.

MamaM said...

I'm not clear as to what or who is being discussed or identified as "a problem" here. I've been presumed in the past by some here to be a multi-person identity, but thought that matter had been sufficiently resolved. I've also been the recipient of digs by Blake for being "mean" toward someone whom I consider to be divisive, a person who has been commenting here and also at TOP (under at least 3 different names, by their own admission this week there).

If Blake is still considering me to be the destructive and deceitful entity he is referring to, I'd like him to come out and clearly say so. If not, the question asked by TY earlier in these comments has not yet be answered.

don't know why anyone would want to participate in something like that.

I don't want that to happen here.

I wonder what I can do to stop it.

chickelit said...

I'm cowering behind a pseudonym because I'm too chicken to come out.

MamaM, I don't think any of this thread was directed at you. But if it was, we have a problem, Houston.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

@ MammaM

I don't think this discussion is geared or aimed at anyone in particular or to you at all.

At least on my part I'm discussing generalities about how people post on the internet. And...specifically about myself...because it is ALWAYS about me!!! That's what I tell my husband anyway....LOL......as to why I don't give out my real name.

Chip S. said...

What was your pseudonym?

"bissage"


(j/k)

windbag said...

I use windbag on as many sites as possible. I don't register on many new sites anymore, but was surprised how long that name was available.

Blogs become caricatures of themselves eventually, and I think that the commenters do so as well. Same thing that happens to television shows. What starts out as a nuance in a character, commenter, or blog becomes a defining characteristic. Eventually, you jump the shark.

Anonymous said...

I'm leaving in two hours to go pick up my daughter from O'Hare , for her two weeks of R&R! Then this weekend is the wedding at Olin Park, Madison, anybody in Madison on Sunday the 2nd, wedding crashers welcome if they are a Troop from Trooper York and a regular commenter here.

I'm so glad she was able to get her R&R to coincide with my youngest daughters wedding, especially since she is alone of the bride's maids.

Well be staying at the Concourse in Madison, lots of rooms blocked off for us, we used them all up, so many out of town guests. My dress still fits, yahoo! Was a bit worried as I had gained 10 pounds, but now lost them again, whew. BUT Spanks would've come to the rescue at any rate.

Have a great week and weekend everyone, I know I will as I will be with the ones I love best.

Anonymous said...

Correction: Is ONE of the bridesmaids, there are a few.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

What was your pseudonym?

"bissage"


Ah...I remember him. "HE" was a nice guy.

Joking!!!

:-P

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Correction: Is ONE of the bridesmaids, there are a few.

Good. I was feeling sorry for your daughter to not have any or just ONE bridesmaid.

Happy wedding.

Anonymous said...

There are 4 and my thtrr year old granddaughter is the flower girl, she has an adorable little ivory colored dress with a Cerulean say to match the bridesmaid dresses.

The Pavillion is a historical building in Madison, not like your typical park pavilions at all. Olin park is on the shores of Lake Menona and the Capital is visable across the lake, very pretty.

We are having a guy do a pig roast, I'm so relieved it's rained here lately, as there may have been a burn ban otherwise, so it turned out well and the grass has greened up nicely.

Gotta run to put on my face!

Anonymous said...

Sheesh, three, typing too fast.

Anonymous said...

Argh, sash, not say!

Anonymous said...

Mama, I'm not going to do anything to make myself upset here, but the three names I used at Althouse were never at the same time, I have used AllieOop for almost a whole year now and never made it a secret that my other two user names were at one time different. I am who I am, like it, hate it, be indifferent, whatever.

Have a good day.

chickelit said...

Congratulations to your daughter, Allie! You've been talking about this forever.

I went to Olin Park when I was back in Madison in June. I went there many times in college too, but mostly during the winter because they had excellent crosscountry ski trails. Maybe that was Turville Point, but they are the same park now, right?

chickelit said...

"burn ban otherwise"

Burn bans are Democrat, DNR derived rules. Just sayin'

Thankfully, Oceanside has no "burn bans."

chickelit said...

@Allie: Have a blast but just remember: "you're not the bride" ;)

Anonymous said...

Chickie, nor would I want to be! Been there done that, I'm not one of those Moms who resents her own beautiful daughters. It's my daughter and son in laws day and a day for family and friends to celebrate what is MOST important in this short life we have, LOVE.

That was hokey but from my heart. now gonna get my face on, wouldn't want to scare babies and young children at the airport.

ndspinelli said...

Allie, I can just feel the excitement. I'm sorry her Dad won't be there but I know he lives in all of you.

ndspinelli said...

Allie, I often walk on the bike path right behind the Olin pavillion. Can I crash in walking shorts and a t-shirt?

Anonymous said...

Sure Nick, the ceremony is at 2PM, dinner at 4 PM, then dancing until 9PM, then some or all are going over to The Brickhouse BBQ, you and your wife are most welcome to join us there for drinks too, we will be on the top floor and the outside roof patio.

There is an elevator to the top floor.

chickelit said...

@Spinelli: You could always investigate privately. ;0

I was just wistfully thinking ahead that I have a daughter, 12, who will grow up and go through this too.

ndspinelli said...

Thanks..I won't wear jogging shorts. I grew up out east where weddings meant jacket and tie or a suit. Back in the 80's I was doing a surveillance of a woman and found out her daughter was getting married. The wedding was in Waunakee and the reception @ a German restaurant in rural Roxbury. I put on a suit to do the surveillance and as I was leaving my bride said, "You're overdressed!" I of course didn't listen Now..one wants to blend in when you're videotaping @ a reception. I was one of the best dressed and stuck out. So..I flew home, changed clothes, and went back to shoot. Yes..I got an "I told you so." The MOB was dancing like Tina Turner and it wrecked her case.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

I was just wistfully thinking ahead that I have a daughter, 12, who will grow up and go through this too

Better start saving up NOW. :-)

ndspinelli said...

Bruce, I'm in the belly of the beast. My daughter gets married in the Twin Cities on 9/22! Just understand..weddings are for women. Do what you're asked and stay the fuck out of everything else.

Anonymous said...

I'm off to O' Hare in just a bit, wish me luck, rush hour traffic, uggggg.

windbag said...

Friends of ours live on an absolutely beautiful piece of dirt, with a little stream running through the lawn, complete with a small pond. They had enough acquaintances ask to use it for their wedding that they turned it into a nice side business. Their own daughter got married there. One of the neighbors is a guy named Rocky. He huffs paint. He also walks around naked, hurling rocks and curses at any poor individual who happens to be walking by. Our friends considered it God's wedding gift to them that Rocky didn't show up at the reception.

ndspinelli said...

If Rocky is a huffer he probably won't be around long.

chickelit said...

Paint it black.

chickelit said...

Better start saving up NOW. :-)

Right now it's "Horses Forever, Boys Whatever"

This will change I'm sure.

blake said...

O'Hare is nice this time of year
I check my bags and find my seat
And buy a beer
And settle in

Such is my life here on the road
Now my seat back is up,
Tray table stowed
And there's nothing to do
I gotta get myself through

So I am shopping at SkyMall
That five-mile-high mall
It always has just what I need
When I get to the gate
And remember too late
I should have brought
Something to read
I'm OK
'cause I know that I'm gonna shop SkyMall

dbp said...

AllenS,

I always liked when AlgonquinS showed up. It seemed like when you posted under that identity you were in "wise-ass" mode--in a good and very funny way, that is.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

Titus, I am surprised you do not do Gawker, or TMZ, or Jezabel. If not to comment, at least peruse.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

Is that Meade?

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

My Doppelganger?

MamaM said...

Mama, I'm not going to do anything to make myself upset here, but the three names I used at Althouse were never at the same time, I have used AllieOop for almost a whole year now and never made it a secret that my other two user names were at one time different. I am who I am, like it, hate it, be indifferent, whatever.

Have a good day.


Here's hoping the person behind the AlleyOop persona enjoys several good days and good time at the upcoming wedding celebration!!!

I've not met anyone who can dance, spin and twist quite as well as AlleyOop, not even Titus, although he tends to crown and pinch more pungent loaves.

After reading all that's been said I'm totally unclear as to when the moment is ripe to start calling someone with multiple ID's "it". Seems as if the standard has a bit of a swing to it , maybe even a beat. Which, after all, is better for dancing.

Anonymous said...

The "persona" behind, inside and outside right side up and upside down of AllieOop is me, sorry to dissapoint. I almost wish I had some deep dark secret to reveal, my life is probably pretty typical of a woman my age, in my area, that is unmarried, kind of seems that if I needed a persona, I would've picked something exotic, dangerous, and titillating. ( Titus, down boy;))

My real name is very Germanic, actually Scandanavian, I bet it's not even that hard to guess. Night moon, night stars, night one and all.

MamaM said...

My real name is very Germanic,

What a co-incidence!!! So is MINE!! There was Blake and AllieOop thinking I was some multi-identity double dealing "it" when she and I might actually be blood relatives! Maybe the one who said "Skill wielded to perpetuate a fraud is not to be admired" can check our IP's to see if they MATCH! Wouldn't that be a hoot!?!

I consider AllieOop as a pseudonym to be far more dashing and titillating than Apfelkuchen. Ol' V.T. sure enough loved him some tits. His first strip was called "The Mighty Oop"! Now that's a name to put in the hopper!! For something different on the next round, out of the Oops category, there's always Queen Umpateedle, provided some subtle, horrid, vile, evil, crazy person hasn't gotten there first.

In closing the Goodnight properly, the bowl of mush does not go unmentioned. So I'll do the honors: Goodnight bowl full of mush! Sweet dreams.

Anonymous said...

OK, Mama, I really don't know what to say anymore, Apfelkuchen and MitochondrieAllie were monikers I used for a short while, neither of which were personas or different than Allieoop. I don't understand why this seems so very important to you, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

Mama, why do you feel I have a persona? Is there anything about my life that does not seem plausable to you and why? Why continue to bring up these theories about me? I feel that this fixation of yours is continuing to upset THIS community. Again, I'm going to ask you to please stop this, it's not fair to me, but I know you don't care about that, so again I appeal to you to stop this for the sake of this community here, can you try?






My daughter is in the bathroom getting ready for her hair appinment, her Cuban cat won't leave he alone. It's interesting that the cat remembered her after being gone for almost 8 months. Very sweet.

MamaM said...

I feel that this fixation of yours is continuing to upset THIS community

Tee Hee!!! That this fragile organism of a community would be upset by anything less the kindest and most sincere presentations from its host and commenters is, to quote Crack and the AllieOop at TOP, LMOA material.

The new morph is great though, with a much more gentile and plaintive sounding voice than the one used in the last foamy round where the bitch word sneaked out.

Here's a fun quote from the anal's of TY history:

It's creepy enough to waltz around the comment sections in drag, and creepier still to make oblique references to commenters and quote them. Although, my favorite is the little show where you have (feign, one hopes) tantrums because people call you on your (highly transparent) shtick.

How about resolving to be straightforward?


Looks like one person's drag is another's camel toe! The standards here are crazy indeed, but that's what makes the place so fun. And lures the camels!

Anonymous said...

In drag??? OMG, LMAO!

Nick, make sure you come to Olin Park, on Sunday, the 2nd. I guess I'm going to have to prove to Nick that I'm a woman, your wife can be in the "examining" room. Just so no one gets upset. The you have my permission to report back to Mama here.

I just showed this to my daughter, she also is LHAO, what next?

MamaM said...

In drag??? OMG, LMAO!

Nick, make sure you come to Olin Park, on Sunday, the 2nd. I guess I'm going to have to prove to Nick that I'm a woman, your wife can be in the "examining" room. Just so no one gets upset. The you have my permission to report back to Mama here.

I just showed this to my daughter,
she also is LHAO, what next?


Me TOO!!! Again! Gosh, what fun! All of us laughing together on the same page! Be sure and Moo for Nick, so the can check the authenticity of your utterance!

I'm so excited about us having fun, laughing at the same jokes and maybe being related, I can scarcely contain my wii!!! True community being realized. Hope you have a great afternoon, wedding, and time shared with family, AllieOop!

From Kool and the Gang (courtesy of the copulation endorsing musical headboard):

Yahoo! This is your celebration
Yahoo! This is your celebration

Celebrate good times,come on! (Let's celebrate)
Celebrate good times, come on! (Let's celebrate)

There's a party goin' on right here
A celebration to last throughout the years
So bring your good times, and your laughter too
We gonna celebrate your party with you

chickelit said...

Jousting was probably great spectator sport.

chickelit said...

Especially jousting sidesaddle.

Paddy O said...

Way late to this thread, but wanted to add my thanks to Blake as well for such well-written thoughts and to Trooper for posting them.

My specialty is church stuff and at the core of church problems is precisely what has been stated here. I've seen it so many times. Indeed, the difference between a good pastor and others can pretty much boil down to how well they spot and isolate those whose purpose is to undermine. And, like was said, so often those people aren't even intentional about it. It's sin at its essence--destructive while justifying its own innocence.

Anyhow, great post.

MamaM said...

Jousting was probably great spectator sport

When does does horsing turn into unhorsing? When the shtick breaks?

All that attention on Baron Zemo when it's the Cloven Viscount who deserves a second look if not a book.

On the first day of fighting, a Turkish swordsman unhorses the inexperienced Viscount. Fearless, he scrambles over the battlefield with sword bared, and is split in two by a cannonball hitting him square in the chest.

As a result of the injury, Viscount Medardo becomes two people: Gramo (the Bad) and Buono (the Good). The army field doctors save Gramo through a stitching miracle, the Viscount is “alive and cloven.” [1] With one eye and a dilated single nostril, he returns to Terralba, twisting the half mouth of his half face into a scissors-like half smile. Meanwhile, a group of hermits find Buono in the midst of a pile of dead bodies. They tend to him and he recovers. After a long pilgrimage, Buono returns home.

There are now two Viscounts in Terralba. Gramo lives in the castle, Buono lives in the forest. Gramo causes damage and pain, Buono does good deeds... Eventually, the villagers dislike both viscounts, as Gramo' s malevolence provokes hostility and Buono's altruism provokes uneasiness.

chickelit said...

Thanks for the Calvino reference, MamaM. You got me curious about what was in an old reader of mine called Prosatori Del Novecento and whether perhaps I had read it once upon una luna blu.

*checks bookshelf*

No. But there was a piece of his called Paese Infido about a trapped Italian partisan in a Nazi-occupied town in Italy. He feels hopelessly betrayed in the hostile town and is about ready to lose all hope when a little girl, sent by others loyal to "the cause" the town comes with a message and makes him realize that the mistrustful town does have a good side.

Also, I learned that The Cloven Viscount was part of a trilogy which also included Il Barone Rampante (The Baron In The Trees).