Friday, August 2, 2013

A Review of "Taken for Granted" by Leslyn Amthor Spinelli



I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed this book. It is always interesting in reading mystery fiction written by a woman. Especially someone as experienced in the criminal justice system as Mrs. Spinelli. I particularly enjoyed how a hard headed judge blew up the plea deals the various lawyers conspired with to make their lives easier. It rang true.

Authors write about what they know. Mrs. Spinelli knows a lot about a lot of stuff. She knows about the law and the criminal justice system. The parole system and the effect it can have on sentencing. The problems of juggling a family with a professional life. The issues of child care for a working mom. The pain of infertility and the joys and sorrows of the adoption process.  Lots of stuff.

One of the more interesting things to me is the depiction of the friendship of two women. Of course it went to shit because women can never get along and boy did that ring true. That is a key difference with male mystery writers. They almost always write up a male team. Spencer and Hawk. Travis Magee and Meyer. Starsky and Hutch. The Miami Vice homos. Even going back to Holmes and Watson. It is always two guys.  The only female team we really have is Cagney and Lacey and they don't count because they were carpet munchers. Here we had one woman Caroline Spencer who had to carry the weight basically by herself without a faithful Indian companion. Her husband was supportive but did not play a big role. Which brings me to my one slight criticism of the book.

 Most male mystery writers make a big mistake in making their protagonists Superman. Look at Robert B. Parker's Spenser. He is a boxer who can beat up three thugs at a time, a gourmet cook, a poetry spouting intellectual and a witty wiseacre. He has his flaws but he is too much the Superman.
Mrs. Spinelli does not make that mistake. Her Caroline Spencer is all too human. She gets angry and makes mistakes. She has anxiety issues and insecurities and human foibles that are so familiar to us and make a real full blooded human being on the page. The problem is with her husband. He is just too perfect. Too understanding. A Navy Seal for crying out loud. The only thing that I would have done differently was to add a dose of asshole to the mix. Nobody is that kind and understanding. If you want a good example of two well rounded and believable married people I would point you to the books of Robert Tannenbaum who records the exploits of Marlene Ciampi and her husband DA Butch Karp. Also I would highly recommend the Matthew Scudder mysteries by the great Lawrence Block. If you want to see how to have a troubled and  interesting hero just check out the alcoholic Matt Scudder. It is the subsidiary characters in the Scudder books that really give it their flavor. I particularly recommend you read "When the Sacred Gin Mill Closes" as an example of mystery writing at it's finest. So the only small flaw is that the husband is too perfect. But I understand why she did it. She didn't want anybody to think she was writing about Spinelli.

I highly recommend you pick up this book and give it a chance. It is a great read and you will enjoy it. I am sure it will be a great success and would make a great movie.

Congratulations Mrs. Spinelli. You should be very proud.

51 comments:

The Dude said...

Shouldn't this have "SPOILER ALERTS!" written at the top? Some of us have to work, you know, and have not finished the thing yet.

Some people!

Cody Jarrett said...

I agree. I finished it last night--and I started it yesterday afternoon.

I will say this--I could've done with maybe 1 less plot twist. Maybe 2. And I don't know if plot twist is the right word.

By the time I was about 73% through it (thank you kindle app, for not offering pages, but offering percentages instead..."yeah, I'm on page 46%...") I started to feel like I was being slapped in the face hard. I was invested in the characters at this point--especially the descriptions of Caroline, the main character, in large part because of the descriptions of the anxiety issues (I know what it's like and I think the descriptions were just about perfect--I was afraid they'd be overpowering but Mrs. Spinelli managed very ably to keep it in the background and bring it forward. Usually writers aren't able to do that.) so I wanted to keep on to the resolution.

I think I have to agree with Troop about the husband though. Despite everything that happens, he only loses his temper about once and only manages to say mean things about twice. Considering the situations, I'm not sure about that. Maybe Mr. Spinelli's that way.

I also wonder if some of my issue with the plot twists might be because I don't read a lot of mysteries. I usually read straight fiction, and mostly fancy literary fiction at that, and I prefer short stories to novels. So it could just be something I'm personally not used to. Out of the hundred or so books I've read so far this year, Mrs. Spinelli's book is only the second mystery I've read, and only the third in the past two years.

But I'm looking forward to the next one.


And, Troop? For the love of fucking god in fucking heaven--it's Robert B. Parker's SPENSER. Spenser with an S. Spenser after the poet.

The poet that wrote "The Faerie Queen". I'd think you'd have that poem taped up to your wall.

chickelit said...
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chickelit said...

Oiler Sp'lurt

It's a gusher

Dust Bunny Queen said...

SPOILER ALERT:

Don't read if you haven't read the book yet.




I finished the book several days ago and really did enjoy it with some few exceptions in the plot development.

It took too long on the developments between the Caroline and Katherine. I kept wanting to say to Caroline...WAKE UP. The husband character was not fully developed I thought. Very flat and nonreactive to what was happening. I also wanted him to find his balls and he finally did. I think I marked that chapter in my Kindle that way. "David finds his balls".

Lots of twists and turns. I agree with CEO maybe too many. And although the deal with the babies was interesting, I don't think it added much to the plot and it seemed that the end was really hurried. A long build up and lots of details on the client/lawyer relationship and personal stuff, and then it seemed like .....OMG hurry up and wham bam boodle, babies, confession of youthful indiscretions..... stuff all of the ending into a couple of paragraphs. It just seemed too quick of a wrap up compared to the long build up.

Now that I've been critical (as if I have ever written a book.....sheesh), I admire the writing style of Leslyn and loved the humor in the main character. Absolutely on a par with other published authors.

I hope this is taken as constructive criticism because it is. I will definitely read the next one.

My Kindle offers percentages or location sites or pages or tells me how long it thinks it will take to finish based on my reading speed (how fast I'm turning the pages I guess). I generally pick the pages since if it loses the place, which it has a couple of times, I can remember the page that I was on, as I mentally save that number when I log off.

Cody Jarrett said...

DBQ: I was going to say some of that same stuff but wanted to stay away from SPOILERS. I've never been able to avoid SPOILER ALERT posts. LOL.

Yeah. My Kindle Paperwhite does the page number thing and all the rest.

The Kindle app for the laptop or the iPad doesn't.

ndspinelli said...

As you know, I am not a bullshitter..@ least I hope you know that! These are some of the BEST AND MOST HELPFUL critiques Leslyn has gotten. She has gotten critiques from folks who don't know her, but they're short and w/ little substance. She thanks EVERYONE here, and previously, who have taken the time, thought, and effort.

Here's a few interesting comments from my bride. She smiled and shook her head as she read the comments about David. My input to Leslyn on male characters as she wrote was to just make them believable. In that regard, the first drafts had more assholeishness on the part of David. Leslyn's editor convinced her to take that out. The editor is a woman and thought David had to be a very sympathetic character. There is some of me in David, but if it were me you all know there would be a lot more asshole!

I just finished reading the sequel. I found it more of a page turner for me. I did not read the first book before it was completed. That was because, like CEO, I know little about the genre. I have read Lawrence Sanders and liked him. I've read a couple Spensers and one or two Travis McGee's. I'm a nonfiction guy. That said, my reading the second book was for authenticity primarily. There's a PI and other legal stuff that she consulted w/ me as she wrote. But, she wanted to make sure she got it right. I just made a couple suggestions in that regard. I did, w/ trepidation, say I thought there were too many plot twists. I think Leslyn understandably took that w/ a grain of salt based on my aforementioned novice stautus . These thoughtful comments convinced her. We just finished discussing one twist that will definitely be excised in the sequel.

Several men have said to me, and/or Leslyn, that they just wanted to shake both Caroline and Kate and say, "Get your head out of your asses." That was for the most part the plan. Even very smart people can be pretty stupid when dealing w/ a loved one who is a substance abuser. DBQ saying it has made Leslyn rethink that. Of course men have a difficult time understanding that head up ass dynamic in this regard. But, DBQ is a woman. Although, as she and I discussed yesterday, a tough cookie when betrayed.

Ask questions, make more comments, everything is very helpful. And, @ this stage of the sequel editing, very timely. Thanks so much.

Trooper York said...

Sorry CEO but check the date stamp. I wrote that a two in the morning. No excuse though you are right.

I don't think I gave any real spoilers. I mean I didn't mention the aliens or the tranny. Oh shit!

Sorry.

Cody Jarrett said...

I didn't have a problem with Caroline re the head up the ass thing. I know how easy it is to be blind(ed) to things people close to you are doing, as well as how hard it can be to do something about it even if you're able to recognize it.

I actually think her behavior in that regard was perfect--much more believable than some of the superhero types Troop mentioned.

RE David, I don't think it would've taken much. It would be really easy to go to far the other way and make him into a stereotypical male asshole character--so given the choice, I'd rather he be on the nice side of the teeter totter.

I just want to know--does the way the tranny died at the end and how everyone reacted mean there won't be a tranny in the second book?

Cody Jarrett said...

Sorry CEO but check the date stamp. I wrote that a two in the morning. No excuse though you are right.

LOL. Some of the only mystery books I ever read. I read them all, years ago. After a while I got tired of the dynamic, and it seemed like Parker was phoning it in.

Then he died.

You should never post after midnight. Like Geraldo, nothing good can happen.

Oh God. Don't get any ideas about playin' like Jerry.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

MORE SPOILER ALERT!!!

Even very smart people can be pretty stupid when dealing w/ a loved one who is a substance abuser. DBQ saying it has made Leslyn rethink that

Thank you for accepting my comments with such good feelings. I agree that dealing with someone who is a substance abuser is difficult...having dealt with this on a personal level, it is easy for you to try to make excuses and turn a blind eye....maybe it was just me being impatient for the main character to wise up based on my own experience. I was pretty stupid for quite some time. But then like Cher in Moonstruck.....you have to wake up.

I thought the Caroline personage, dealt with the balance between personal (dealing with her friend as a client and her child) and professional (finally seeing the reality and how it would affect her own life and career) very well!!

I really would have liked to see the male support character be stronger...and yes... maybe even more asshole-ish to some extent. A balance there between being strong, supportive and "manly" or being a passive wimp for too long or the opposite being too aggressive and overbearing and stomping on the main female character. It is a hard balance and I will be the first to admit that I don't have the skills or patience to write a book.

Easy to be a critic....so VERY hard to actually do it. I read a lot....and stayed at a Holiday Inn once or twice.

:-D

Trooper York said...

The thing is if the husband had been more of an asshole about the friend it would ring true to life. I know I am a big asshole to my friends who hurt her. I don't forgive and I don't forget when they hurt my baby. I think the husband would have really been pissed off and more demanding.

But all in all there is only one bad thing you can say about Mrs. Spinelli. It's her husband.

Trooper York said...

I know that's what everyone says about my wife.

You see it is my job to be the asshole that people don't like so the wife can be likeable.

And I do that very well if I do say so myself.

Trooper York said...

Not to belabor the point but Lawrence Block can show you how it's done. The novel "When the Sacred Gin Mill Closes" has secondary characters that are drawn so clearly in a few deft strokes. The hero Matt Scudder is flawed and the discussion of the bar business and what it means to hang out is right on the money. I think it can serve as a primer for a mystery writer.

Of course women write from a different angle so it can just be an influence not a template.

I think it is important to read the masters to get a feel for the genre. It can only help.


Trooper York said...

Also CEO had it exactly right. After a while most writers phone it in. They repeat the same plot. But you know that sells. People like to read the same thing because it is familiar. Parker was egregious in that regard. On the other hand I have bought everyone of his books. I have even bought the new ones written by other authors who were hired to keep the series going.

But then I read five to seven books a week.

You see I have trouble sleeping.

The Dude said...

I read all the novels written by Stephen Hunter, author of "Shooter" which was made into a movie I skipped as they cast a tiny little actor as Bob Lee Swagger.

While the original book was not bad, I read his previous work and works he has written since his big hit.

Worse than phoning it in, I became convinced that he had hired interns to write his stuff, and that they hadn't read what he had written.

The books in the Swagger series covered his father's history as well as Bob Lee's life, up to and including the birth of his daughter.

They kept throwing in things that had never been mentioned - somehow, in all the excitement Bob Lee had won a national pistol shooting championship. Hmm, never heard that before.

Then his unknown bastard half breed son showed up - okay, I guess we all can relate to having children we didn't know about - am I right, ladies?

Not only that, but the plots went downhill, the shootouts less compelling and as Stephen Hunter grew ever more obese Bob Lee broke down right along with him.

Oh well - I have not read the two most recent books in that series, and I don't think I have missed a thing.

Oh yeah, Bob Lee's problem was alcoholism - booze always called to him, he mostly resisted. That was a nice touch.

He was a great shot, so that kept my attention. Who doesn't want to learn how to shoot better?

ndspinelli said...

This is all gold folks, thanks. Trooper, I am like you. If someone is an asshole to me I can take it and dish it back. But, if they're an asshole to my bride, MY KIDS, well..they get both fucking barrels. And, my bride has read all the authors mentioned so they are part of her world view.

DBQ, The honest critiques are what Leslyn wants, so don't even preface your criticism w/ caveats. Just give it straight as you have.

rcocean said...

I read it and liked it. Highly recommended.

ricpic said...

Is it possible Mrs. S airbrushed the stand-in for spinelli husband because the unvarnished truth would've made her readers wince? ;^)


Airbrush, varnish: same ballpark...more or less.

The Dude said...

I've heard that Nick is closer to a seal than a SEAL, but I'll withhold judgment for now.

Trooper York said...

I thought more walrus actually.

Coo-coo-ca-chew!

Cody Jarrett said...

Troop, not to hijack the thread but what do you think of the new guy? I haven't read any of his stuff--or the new guy they got to cover the western series either.

And as someone who reads that much, what else to you read? Brad Thor? Vince Flynn?

ndspinelli said...

My nickname in high school was The Bear. I'm built like a bear, had a beard @ 14[great for buying booze], and would growl like one on occasion. And I did shit in the woods.

Trooper York said...

Well Ace Atkins is very good. The thing is he doesn't have all that much of a loyalty to the characters so he will kill some off or put them in new situations. The last one "Wonderland" is excellent with all the tell tale Spenser traits.

Michael Brandman does an excellent job with the Jesse Stone books and I think he catches the tone perfectly.

I really disliked the westerns that Parker did himself so I did not get the new one. Parker could not write westerns.

Trooper York said...

I really, really recommend the work of George Pelecano's who writes about the Washington DC area. Specifically his latest "The Cut" and "Soul Circus."

Tony Hillerman has a great series with Jim Chee and LT. Leaphorn about the Navajo's which is highly recommended.

A great series for Palladian is the work of Joe Lansdale with his detective team of Hap Collins and Leonard Pine. Also for Crack as Leonard is a macho gay black guy....errr well you know what I mean.

Lawrence Block is the master. Any of the Scudder books are great. The other series not so much. He did write a great new book under the name Jill Emerson with lots of great sex and violence.

Loren Estleman is another great regional writer with his Detroit stories. He is also an excellent western author. His Macklin hit man series is excellent.

Trooper York said...

Elmore Leonard is the gold standard in both mysteries and westerns. He is very popular now because of "Justified" based on his Raylan Givens stories. But his earlier work is top notch. It doesn't get any better.

Trooper York said...

For Westerns I prefer Elmer Kelton and Max Brand.

Another author I recommend highly is a little old fashioned but Kenneth Roberts wrote some great stuff. "Northwest Passage" and "Arundel" are wonderful and I loved "Rabble in Arms" one of the few good Revolutionary war books you are gonna come across.

Trooper York said...

My nickname was Sasquatch for my height, hair and big feet. Just sayn'

blake said...

OK, I'm putting this thread on hold till I finish.

Cody Jarrett said...

I loved the Kenneth Roberts books. My grandmother made me read them when I was young. She knew I'd like them if I gave them a chance. I learned to read around 4 because I wanted to read stuff about the Revolutionary era and no one would take me seriously and read the actual serious stuff to me. So I took matters into my own hands.

Lydia Bailey...that was another of Roberts's books. Great stuff. Loved the King Dick character.

Trooper York said...

That's what they called Meade in high school.

He thought he was a king but everybody else thought he was a dick.

ndspinelli said...

I see Pelacanos on the credits for a few episodes of The Wire. We start the final season tonight.

Cody Jarrett said...

You know, I'm pretty sure I've never read an Elmore Leonard book. At least I don't remember it.

Where to start?


The Dude said...

Raylan, a Novel.

Cody Jarrett said...

Another thing, Spinelli, to pass on to the lovely and gracious Mrs. Spinelli--I really appreciated the quality of the prose itself.

There weren't any real jarring moments where I found myself reading a line over and saying what the fuck to myself, which happens a lot with so called 'genre fiction'. But Mrs. S is a really good writer, not just a good storyteller (I mean, yeah, there were a few things like sixty has mentioned, but I don't really count those).

The other day I was reading the new Brad Thor novel--good story. Very timely--and within the first few pages I was so annoyed with the writing I almost threw the book across the room. Actually, had I been reading the book I would have. I don't really like throwing the iPad across the room. They don't take it well.

And I was also pleased to see that certain things were left to the imagination. Caroline and David spend the evening together in a hotel...but we're spared several pages describing what happened.

LOL. I've been there. I can figure out what happened and why the clothes are on the floor. I don't need to read clinical details.

Not that I'm a prude, it's just...I don't know. I don't like graphic sex in novels, and so many novels now are mostly that.

I wonder too...in the first chapter or so, we're introduced to the old lady next door, they were going to talk more...and never did. I got the feeling that the old lady was originally going to be more of a character but the story kind of took over and moved away?

Cody Jarrett said...

Isn't Raylan one of his newest?

I thought the old stuff was better?

DON'T CONFUSE ME!

LOL

The Dude said...

Hey, typos happen. Even with the multistage process required to get a book into print, stuff creeps through.

Anything I have pointed out has been minor, and not one thing I have mentioned has in any way diminished the quality of her writing.

I am in awe of what she has accomplished, well, other than marrying the ManBearSeal.

Cody Jarrett said...

I didn't mean to suggest it had or did, Sixty.

ManBearSeal? LOL.

The Dude said...

Yeah, that works...

Trooper York said...

For Elmore Leonard I would start with Killshot, 52 Pickup, City Primeval, Stick, or Get Shorty which was made into a great movie. Also "Rum Punch" which was made into a pretty good movie called "Jackie Brown" staring Pam Grier.

His westerns that are top notch include Hombre, Valdez is Coming and Last Stand at Sabre River.

Also a funky little novel called "Mr. Majestky" that was also made into a nifty little movie starring Charles Bronson.

windbag said...

I saw that movie in black and white on television long ago. Hell of a chase scene with a Ford pickup. I remember Ford ran an ad showing clips and claiming that the truck wasn't tricked out for that at all, just a plain old truck. Charles Bronson was cool.

ndspinelli said...

CEO, I will pass on the praise, thanks. And, as you know, there's nothing like hotel sex, particularly when you have kids. Just buy a movie and tell them to not look @ the bed, sofa, or floor. Just busting balls. We have them just roam the halls.

And Sixty knows we appreciate the corrections. Hell, my bride wants to hire him if possible.

Michael Haz said...

Spinelli - One thing I noticed was the need for more authenticity. Perhaps this can be addressed in the sequel.

There was no mention made of fish fries, a clear error in any novel set in Wisconsin. Nor was there even the slightest reference to cheese curds, corn on the cob or ice cream from Babcock Hall on the UW campus. And Spotted Cow or Lienenkugel beer? Totally skipped.

And any novel can't be judged complete unless the protagonist insults the Yankees and Vikings at least once. For example: Caroline asked "What do they call a Vikings player who has a Super Bowl ring?" The answer was whispered "A former Packer player."

See how that adds dimension to the plot?

I thought so.



Cody Jarrett said...

Hell, there's nothing like hotel sex even if you're by yourself.

ndspinelli said...

Haz, For legal reasons she kept the university generic. And, neither Caroline or David are native Cheeseheads. They moved there as adults. Caroline is a Gopher and David is from the Lonestar state. That's established in the sequel. You're right about the fish fry.

Michael Haz said...

Nick, I trust you know that I was (feebly) joking. But, thanks!

Cody Jarrett said...

Why would someone from Texas who's a former SEAL want to move to Madison Wisconsin?

Most of the people I know in Texas don't even want to visit Wisconsin.

ndspinelli said...

CEO, Like all us men, he followed that poontang scent.

Chip S. said...

Just finished it.

I thought there'd be one more plot twist, w/Marty being taken down. But a good read, for reasons Troop gave.

Does David hunt down the mofo from Cs past and pound the shit out of him? I wanna see that kind of stuff instead of assholery. If I want assholery I just go to Lem's and search for comments by LSL.

ndspinelli said...

ChipS, Thanks. Someone does get their head bashed in the sequel.

The Dude said...

Finished it last night and thoroughly enjoyed it.

As a fan of Stephen Hunter's works, all I would have added is more gun fights.

More gun fights fix every book.