Trooper York: Thinner

Sunday, September 29, 2013

Thinner

I would like to post but I feel kind of shitty.

They gave me blood thinners and that shit knocked me out. I slept most of the day.

Thank God I missed the giants game.

72 comments:

ndspinelli said...: Coumadin is rat poison.; September 29, 2013 at 5:36 PM
The Dude said...: Who did they lose to this week? *searches sports section* Hmm, Kansas City - say, does George Brett still play for them?; September 29, 2013 at 5:36 PM
The Dude said...: Nick - Troop didn't say nothin' to nobody, okay?; September 29, 2013 at 5:37 PM
ndspinelli said...: Sixty, I watched the highlights. I actually felt bad for our bedridden buddy.; September 29, 2013 at 6:12 PM
Trooper York said...: I am not on Coumadin yet.

Something to look forward to.; September 29, 2013 at 7:04 PM
Michael Haz said...: Rat poison, fuckin' ay, Nick. Troop, you want to get off Coumadin as soon as possible. Otherwise you might bleed out form a bloody nose.

And absolutely lay off the garlic while you're on the blood thinner. Garlic is also a blood thinner and your blood will get so dang thin you'll look like you've got stigmata. Of course, if that happens you can open your own shrine, unless you hate being around weeping tourists.; September 29, 2013 at 7:05 PM
Trooper York said...: At least the Jets lost too.; September 29, 2013 at 7:05 PM
Chip S. said...: Congrats to the Yanks on today's 14-inning win over the mighty Astros, thereby tying the O's for 3rd place in the division.; September 29, 2013 at 7:12 PM
chickelit said...: Coumadin is incompatible with alcohol consumption, so I hope you don't have a "life sentence." But if you do, well, there are always memories.

Coumadin was invented by a UW-Madison professor who made a lot of money for the University and probably indirectly funded Althouse's endowded chair. It's also know as warfarin where the "warf" stands for Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation.; September 29, 2013 at 7:30 PM
chickelit said...: Two more reasons to get off coumadin unless your life depends on it.; September 29, 2013 at 7:39 PM
Palladian said...: I believe there's a relationship between Coumadin and coumarin, the latter being a very important perfumery ingredient, especially in men's fragrances.; September 29, 2013 at 8:15 PM
chickelit said...: Du hast Recht gehabt, Palladian. Coumadin is species of 4-hydroxy coumarin. The IUPAC name for coumarin is chromen-2-one, which suggests a colorful family of compounds.; September 29, 2013 at 8:35 PM
chickelit said...: Oops, I was confusing dyes with fragrances...; September 29, 2013 at 8:36 PM
ndspinelli said...: chick is our resident expert on all things chemical. I had a couple people I know have me run tests on shit they found in their kid's room. I had a guy in the crime lab. Both were cocaine. This was back in the 80's/90's. Have you ever gotten requests like that chick? When you are a PI you get a lot of questions and requests. That 25th anniversary party I went to last night I got a will contesting saga and questions on a fall on the job w/ upcoming knee surgery question. That's why I almost never tell people what I do.

I have gotten a few questions from folks here and they were very cool and I am happy to help. Most of the questions I get in person are after someone has had a few drinks..like last night.; September 29, 2013 at 9:03 PM
Unknown said...: The life size cardboard cut out of Eli Manning has disappeared from Dunkin Donuts. I guess they're over him too.; September 29, 2013 at 9:18 PM
chickelit said...: So which NFL teams are on fire so far?; September 29, 2013 at 9:26 PM
Palladian said...: Coumarin smells like new-mown hay & vanilla. It used to be extracted from the seeds of a plant called Dipteryx odorata. They must contain a lot of it because the coumarin crystallizes on the surface of the seeds. I believe that Coumadin was discovered after a bunch of cows that ate fermented hay died of hemmorages.; September 29, 2013 at 9:51 PM
Palladian said...: Some people make "artisanal ice cream" out of tonka beans, but I don't think it's very good for you.; September 29, 2013 at 9:52 PM
Cody Jarrett said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; September 29, 2013 at 10:53 PM
Cody Jarrett said...: I wonder if it's related to deer tongue, which also smells like hay and vanilla, and tastes like vanilla (it's added to pipe tobacco--and is supposed to have been part of Bing Crosby's favorite blend).; September 29, 2013 at 11:01 PM
chickelit said...: Palladian' said:
I believe that Coumadin was discovered after a bunch of cows that ate fermented hay died of hemmorages.

Literally true but instead of "discovered" I'd say inspired.
From the wiki:

Warfarin is a synthetic derivative of dicoumarol, a 4-hydroxycoumarin-derived mycotoxin anticoagulant originally discovered in spoiled sweet clover-based animal feeds.

I looked at the structure of dicoumarol and it's "easy" to see in hindsight how K. P. Link and students came up with the structure for the wholly synthetic coumadin derivative (warfarin). Good thing too, because the natural anti-coagulant would not have been eligible for a patent and he wouldn't have made any money.

I remember a girlfriend showing me Link's mansion once in Madison. She was familiar with his story for reasons I won't go into. I thought it looked like stately Wayne manor.; September 29, 2013 at 11:09 PM
Palladian said...: I wonder if it's related to deer tongue, which also smells like hay and vanilla, and tastes like vanilla (it's added to pipe tobacco--and is supposed to have been part of Bing Crosby's favorite blend).

According to my herbal reference, deertongue (Dichanthelium clandestinum) contains a large amount of coumarin, so it's the same smell.

Coumarin is added to pipe tobacco.; September 29, 2013 at 11:10 PM
chickelit said...: @Palladian: The story of the bleeding cows is recapped at the link I gave. Thanks for reminding me of that. I think I knew it once but had forgotten.; September 29, 2013 at 11:13 PM
Cody Jarrett said...: And apparently coumarin in cinnamon.; September 29, 2013 at 11:16 PM
chickelit said...: Coumarin is added to pipe tobacco.

It's worth emphasizing that coumarin itself is not an anti-coagulant -- only the derivatives are.; September 29, 2013 at 11:16 PM
Cody Jarrett said...: There's an article about coumarin in cinnamon causing liver damage.; September 29, 2013 at 11:20 PM
Palladian said...: Coumarin was the first fully-synthetic odorant used in perfumery, first used in 1882 in a perfume called Fougère Royale (Royal Fern). This perfume established the "fougère" accord (lavender oil, oakmoss & coumarin) as one of the major structural accords of perfumery. For some reason, perfumes based on the fougère accord became associated with men's fragrances. Brut, Canoe and Azzaro are all fougères, but few smell any good these days because of government restrictions on things like coumarin and nitro musks.; September 29, 2013 at 11:24 PM
Cody Jarrett said...: Do old perfumes retain their smell well, Palladian?; September 29, 2013 at 11:28 PM
Palladian said...: And apparently coumarin in cinnamon.

It's Chinese cinnamon, Cinnamomum verum, that has a high level of coumarin. "True" cinnamon, Cinnamomum verum has a much lower level. But it's difficult to find cinnamon that isn't derived from the cheap cassia type.; September 29, 2013 at 11:28 PM
chickelit said...: I used to work with cinnamic acid which I'm guessing derives from cinnamon. Great smelling substance to my nose. I can't describe it but I'd definitely recognize it.; September 29, 2013 at 11:31 PM
chickelit said...: Cinnamic acid has been described as having a honey-like odor.; September 29, 2013 at 11:33 PM
Palladian said...: Do old perfumes retain their smell well, Palladian?

It depends on the perfume and how it's stored.

Most fragrances, especially older fragrances, hold up very well as long as they've been kept tightly closed in darkness in a moderately cool environment. I collected perfumes for a long time and I have samples of most every major fragrance ever made. Many of them are from the 1940s-80s and for the most part they all smell spectacularly good. I even have a sample of an early coumarin-rich perfume, Guerlain's Jicky, that was made in 1914 and it still smells good. I also have some Coty perfumes from that same period that smell great. Again, storage is key. The major enemies are light, heat and oxygen. The only common "damage" in older perfumes is to the top notes, which is the fleeting first 10-15 minutes of a composition before you start getting the heart notes. These notes are usually things like aldehydes and citrus oils which, for some reason, seem more prone to age damage. If an old fragrance smells bad at first, just give it a few minutes and it will usually start to smell alright once those damaged topnotes dissipate.; September 29, 2013 at 11:36 PM
Palladian said...: I should write a Comment Home post about fragrance, shouldn't I?; September 29, 2013 at 11:37 PM
Cody Jarrett said...: It would probably be interesting if you did, yes.

Light heat and oxygen? So ...being half used and sitting on someone's dresser for 50 years would probably be bad, right?; September 29, 2013 at 11:40 PM
chickelit said...: Light, heat, and oxygen are the enemies of a good beer and many a fragile organic flower.; September 29, 2013 at 11:43 PM
Cody Jarrett said...: I'm not crazy about 2 out of the three myself.; September 29, 2013 at 11:44 PM
chickelit said...: The only common "damage" in older perfumes is to the top notes, which is the fleeting first 10-15 minutes of a composition before you start getting the heart notes.

Unfortunately, these are "first" impressions.; September 29, 2013 at 11:45 PM
Palladian said...: I used to work with cinnamic acid which I'm guessing derives from cinnamon. Great smelling substance to my nose. I can't describe it but I'd definitely recognize it.

Yup, I know it. I have some. It has what's called a "balsamic" odor, slightly similar to a resinous material called storax which comes from a plant called Liquidambar orientalis. There are a number of substances in perfumery with variants of "cinnam-" in the name, like alpha-amyl cinnamaldehyde, alpha-hexyl cinnamaldehyde, alpha-methyl cinnamaldehyde, benzyl cinnamate, cinnamaldehyde, cinnamyl alcohol, ethyl cinnamate &c. They all smell either cinnamon-like or balsamic, or both, except for alpha-hexyl and alpha-amyl cinnamaldehyde, which both smell floral and jasmine-like.; September 29, 2013 at 11:46 PM
chickelit said...: I should write a Comment Home post about fragrance, shouldn't I?

You should write a series. I get particularly interested in chemical families.; September 29, 2013 at 11:46 PM
Palladian said...: So ...being half used and sitting on someone's dresser for 50 years would probably be bad, right?

Probably, but you never know. Even a "bad" perfume still often retains a shadow of its former self.

I have only smelled two or three old perfumes that were totally and completely "gone"; September 29, 2013 at 11:47 PM
Palladian said...: Cody, I also still plan to write a post about that idea you sent me, about artist's motivations.; September 29, 2013 at 11:48 PM
chickelit said...: As an undergrad, I recall being assigned to review and present the latest syntheses of various organic molecules drawn at random. I drew cis-jasmone and morphine.; September 29, 2013 at 11:49 PM
Palladian said...: Unfortunately, these are "first" impressions.

I'm anti-topnote. Many of my compositions don't really have a classical-structure topnote.

My one fully-polished composition has a big blast of sparkly, scary herbal-mint that lasts about one minute as a topnote.; September 29, 2013 at 11:53 PM
Cody Jarrett said...: So which NFL teams are on fire so far?

Patriots are 4-0.; September 29, 2013 at 11:53 PM
Palladian said...: I drew cis-jasmone and morphine.

Two great substances. cis-jasmone is a very useful material, because you can use it to link floral odors to vegetable odors. In it is the kinship between jasmine and celery.; September 29, 2013 at 11:54 PM
Cody Jarrett said...: a big blast of sparkly, scary herbal-mint that lasts about one minute as a topnote.

Sounds like one of Trooper's fancypants drinks.; September 29, 2013 at 11:55 PM
Cody Jarrett said...: In it is the kinship between jasmine and celery.

I don't think you can throw stuff like that out there without explaining it to the moron level.

Celery and jasmine don't smell alike. At least to me.; September 29, 2013 at 11:56 PM
Palladian said...: Celery and jasmine don't smell alike. At least to me.

The secret to great perfumery is to find hard-to-notice kinship between disparate materials, like jasmine & celery, or rose & carrot. If you notice those things, you can build entire perfume compositions around them. Perfumery "accords" are materials that, when combined, create a smell that is more than the sum of its parts. The aforementioned fougère accord (lavender, oakmoss & coumarin) is one, chypre (bergamot, labdanum & oakmoss) or hydroxycitronellal & patchouli, are others. These accords smell markedly different than their component materials. It's what makes perfumery an art at its highest levels.; September 30, 2013 at 12:08 AM
chickelit said...: The secret to great perfumery is to find hard-to-notice kinship between disparate materials...

It's a blunt comparison, but the same is true of taste combination of disparate elements: sweet and sour, bitter sweet, yomama sweet.; September 30, 2013 at 12:28 AM
Palladian said...: It's a blunt comparison, but the same is true of taste combination of disparate elements

Great perfumers are often good cooks as well.

No, I'm not blowing my own horn, so to speak.; September 30, 2013 at 12:29 AM
Cody Jarrett said...: carrot and rose?; September 30, 2013 at 12:29 AM
chickelit said...: No, I'm not blowing my own horn, so to speak.

Limber Titus was boasting the other day about blowing his own horn, so to speak.; September 30, 2013 at 12:31 AM
Palladian said...: carrot and rose?

Yup. Carrot seed oil goes very well with rose accords. There's a great, forgotten perfume from the 40s called Elle. Elle..., composed by Jean Carles for the Lucien Lelong company, which first combined the two notes.

Carles was a great perfumer who composed the aforementioned fougère Canoe as well as Miss Dior & Tabu, among many others. Carles was also a great perfumery teacher. He lost his sense of smell later in life, after which he composed one of his great masterpieces, Carven's Ma Griffe.; September 30, 2013 at 12:40 AM
Palladian said...: Limber Titus was boasting the other day about blowing his own horn, so to speak.

I'd hate to have to clean that spit valve.; September 30, 2013 at 12:41 AM
Cody Jarrett said...: And Palladian for the win.; September 30, 2013 at 12:52 AM
Cody Jarrett said...: does carrot seed oil actually smell like carrots? And is there actually oil in carrot seeds? How many carrot seeds does one need to make a few cc's of oil?; September 30, 2013 at 12:53 AM
Palladian said...: does carrot seed oil actually smell like carrots?

It's not a 1:1: correlation. There is a "carroty" aspect to carrot seed oil, but it also has other facets, woodiness, earthiness, slightly cumin-like.

is there actually oil in carrot seeds?

Yes! There is essential oil in a lot of things, especially seeds.

How many carrot seeds does one need to make a few cc's of oil?

Unknown, but carrot seed oil is not particularly expensive. The French stuff is very good, and the priciest of the carrot seed oils I've sourced at about 67 dollars a kilogram. You can also get good Hungarian and Indian carrot seed oil for less.

It's steam distilled, like most essential oils, though the Indians do a super-critical carbon dioxide extracted version.; September 30, 2013 at 1:03 AM
Evi L. Bloggerlady said...: You did not miss much with the Giants game.

Coughlin has his hands full.

I will give Andy Reid credit, he was very gracious to the Giants in victory.; September 30, 2013 at 3:13 AM
Michael Haz said...: This kind of interesting comments happens absent moderation. Imagine that.; September 30, 2013 at 3:25 AM
chickelit said...: Yes! There is essential oil in a lot of things, especially seeds.

There used to be a tincture or a spagyric of most living living things but especially medicinal plants.; September 30, 2013 at 9:26 AM
Cody Jarrett said...: There used to be a tincture or a spagyric of most living living things but especially medicinal plants.

Crackbate?

The funny part is a lot of that stuff is coming back. And not in the new age dilute it to nothing way, just in the way it was.

As I've said before (and you've written about, indirectly), with the resistance of modern nasties, bacterias, viruses etc, things are turning back more and more to "old fashioned" remedies.; September 30, 2013 at 10:16 AM
Cody Jarrett said...: At $67/kg it can't be a terribly difficult process.

That's actually sorta fascinating, Palladian.

I wish my sense of smell as that good.

Then again, I love with a Boston, so maybe it's just as well it's not. You know what I mean? LOL; September 30, 2013 at 10:19 AM
Cody Jarrett said...: live with a Boston, not love with. Saw it just as I hit publish.; September 30, 2013 at 10:20 AM
ndspinelli said...: Bridgette, How quickly they forget. You're a NYer, "What have you done for me lately" is the sports anthem there. And, on my recent trip back east I realized just how increasingly a stronghold Dunkin Donuts is in the northeast. They are a small presence in the Midwest and west. And, I think that's true in the south. Give a man a rebel yell on that Sixty.; September 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM
The Dude said...: Krispy Kremes FTW!; September 30, 2013 at 2:56 PM
Cody Jarrett said...: I typed "dunkin donuts coverage map" into google and found a map. DD is pretty big in cities in the south/mid south and in Florida, and heading into some of the bigger midwest cities.

THey're also opening stores in socal.; September 30, 2013 at 3:00 PM
chickelit said...: THey're also opening stores in socal.

Donut shops in SoCal tend to mom and pop top places, typically owned and run by immigrants (at least here in North County).; September 30, 2013 at 3:06 PM
Cody Jarrett said...: Dunkin' Donuts dipped its toe into the West Coast coffee and donuts market when it launched its first SoCal unit at Camp Pendleton over a year ago, but since then the coveted East Coast breakfast brand has promised to spread the Munchkin love. And after calling for franchisees earlier this year, Dunkin' has finally announced its growth initiative for Los Angeles and environs. According to RestaurantNews, a total of 45 Dunkin' locations are fated for SoCal, the first of which freestanding buildings will open in 2015. A total of 18 Dunkin' Donuts are headed to Orange County and the South Bay, 10 are coming to the Westside (Santa Monica, Hollywood, Malibu), 16 to central LA and the SGV, and one to Barstow. However, nontraditional units (within colleges, supermarkets, airports) could open sooner.

Link so Chip can't accuse me of anecdotalizing it; September 30, 2013 at 3:30 PM
MamaM said...: An anecdote may have been easier to digest than this fine tuned view from roving binoculars.

That's a mess o'Dunkin' Donuts for CA. A less expensive alternative to Starbucks?; September 30, 2013 at 5:28 PM
Chip S. said...: No holes in that argument, Cody.

It's like a donut+munchkin combo.; September 30, 2013 at 6:30 PM
Cody Jarrett said...: LOL, Chip and MamaM.; September 30, 2013 at 6:35 PM
Chip S. said...: Is Winchell's weddy?; September 30, 2013 at 6:44 PM

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