"Pa, Pa are you here?"
"Yes I am here Mark," replied Lucas "why are you in such an all fangled hurry. Did you see a ghost?"
"No Pa but something pretty strange. Do you remember that Indian fella that has been hanging around town for the past couple of months?"
"I know him," answered Micah. "They call him Chief Stalking Horse. Did he cause any trouble Mark. Is he bothering you?"
"Why do you say that Micah" asked Lucas. "Is he a trouble maker?"
"Well he is drunk all the time Lucas boy. He doesn't do much. Just gets sad and drinks some more. And sing sad Spanish songs."
"Why Spanish songs Micah" piped up Mark. "I thought he was an Indian."
"Most of the Indians here in New Mexico speak Spanish Mark. I think Stalking Horse is either an Apache or a Puerto Rican. I can't figure out which. You know like Sal Mineo."
"So what did he do Mark?"
"It's not what he did Pa it was who he was with. He was with Lonesome Larry. Or Lying Larry like everyone is calling him since he started that ruckus with Paulie the sign maker. They were whispering and talking in secret. I think Lying Larry is trying to convince him to do something. It was strange because nobody talks to Lying Larry anymore. Most turn away. But this fella didn't do anything either when the fight was going on. Maybe he agreed with it. Do you thinks so Micah?"
"No I don't think so Mark. Stalking Horse is a right nice fella if a drunk and morose one. I don't think he has mean bone in his body. But I hope he doesn't get convinced to do something he shouldn't do. That Lying Larry can be pretty convincing. Look how he got that dried up old spinster to marry him and give him half of her ranch. That was impressive I have to say. But I will keep an eye on him. Thanks for letting me know Mark."
"No problem Micah. I would hate to see him get in trouble."
"You are a good boy Mark. Here is a penny. Go get yourself some candy and stare at Miss Milly's teats. I will be along directly."
"Thanks Pa."
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Anyone having a drink? I'll join ya.
I'm a bad Christian (if I were a Christian). All this talk about forgiveness (who's forgiving who again for what?)... and all I know is, I see LSL there being all chummy and cutesy-poo, sets my teeth on edge.
Which means I have to back off. I shouldn't let this bother me: have to remind myself, it's just like I'm watching a reality show.
(If only real people, who were hurt and are capable of being hurt, weren't involved.)
Anyway, yeah: it seems from what Lem is saying now at beta's post there, that he doesn't want to do this anymore. Doesn't want the role he's taken on (or the role that took over him).
"I have to get off this ride."
"I want to turn this over to somebody else."
I guess that means he wants to be a commenter, not a blogger (or blog owner). I certainly don't blame him. (Though I wonder what, or who, brought that on.)
But, now what? Can someone else just take over?
I don't know. I think Lem plays an important role. Everybody trusts him. Now at least. I just think he can be manipulated. They love to accuse me of being a master manipulator so I think I have to stay out of it. I have an axe to grind.
I will be interested to see how this plays out.
LOL, Trooper, again. Great episode (yet kinda sad, like the last one). And right on.
Unlike Leisure Suit Larry I am not going to go over there and try and control Lem. Larry does himself no good while he tries to turn this situation to his advantage. I would have thought that people like Freeman Hunt and Synova and Chip would see through him. I know Chickie and Pastafarian do. Palladian checked out of the game. So like I said. It will interesting.
I have some great new charaters. Like Miz Coleman the school teacher who is all prim and proper.
And the fat drunk drummer who sells lady's clothes.
It could be fun.
An oldie but a goodie...
And I like the new episode of the Rifleman very much. Makes up for when they took the Virginian off Netflix.
I think Lem plays an important role.
Yep. It's a role I honestly can't see anyone else take, really. Who bears a grudge against Lem?
He doesn't take sides. He's such a good guy, but he's never sanctimonious or scold-y. He's funny, but not obnoxious. Politically passionate, but never gets nasty. He's among everybody's favorite commenters, but he's not part of any clique. Everyone likes him and trusts him. (His elliptical commenting style helps.)
I'm also interested to see what happens.
He won't put me on the blog roll, but that is because he worries it will insult Ann and Meade (which of course it would).
The creative potential that's been released and realized since the Explosion and Shutdown at TOP has been Supersploogerific.
Maybe it would be good for someone with a stronger hand to take over. But that could kill it, too.
My druthers would be someone who's not so attached, doesn't feel so permanently indebted, to the Madison couple.
Can a blog be run by committee? I mean there are all those contributors (a variety I like)-- can it work without one person at least nominally in charge?
I think Lem's blog is now being run by the Freedmen's Bureau. It's the gov't, and it's there to help.
I personally think Chip Ahoy is the guy to run it. He seems to be into blogging and is very creative. He is not obsessed with the lovely couple and can be pretty fair.
I would love chickie to get it but I think he is too closely associated with me.
Freeman Hunt would be a disaster.
Pasta would be too combative. He and I share too many traits.
Synova would also be great but I think she is too busy with her life to do it.
I agree: Chip Ahoy or Synova. (Chick would be great, but as you said, has strong allegiances elsewhere.)
You guys are right about the ideal leader of that blog, but I think the transfer of ownership has already occurred, de facto.
I would not participate at a blog that Freeman Hunt ran. She is just as big a partisan of Leisure Suit Larry as Chickie is of me. So a neutral party would be best I think. Which is what Lem more or less was.
Of course they might look my non-participation as a feature and not a bug so that is that. Just sayn'
If you are right Chip than that is a sad thing.
I think we need a new, neutral place, with firmly established procedures and guidelines, with Wordpress as the engine.
I feel like I can't go back to "Lem's" place. There's too much neurosis and psychosis, the well is thoroughly poisoned.
I asked Laurence Meade and his wife to never discuss me in public again since I refunded his money, and yet he (apparently) keeps bringing it up, all the while knowing that I'm not around to defend myself.
I just don't need that kind of darkness in my life. I can't handle it at this point. Through the immense kindness and generosity of various commenter friends, I have started getting my life together again, and taking stock of what is important to me, what I want my life to be like, how I want to act, how I want to live.
The scales were really torn from my eyes by LM and AA. It reminded me of how life was for me right before high school, when I was being psychologically and physically abused by my mother's (now ex and dead) husband. The casual blindness to evil reminds me of my mother, who shut herself off to avoid seeing what was being done to me and to her. I reminds me that I took a giant, terrifying step and left home when I was 15, a step that probably saved my life, but also left me permanently afraid and permanently unable to suffer abuse and manipulation without eventually running away.
As public as I am about some aspects of my life, I am essentially, fundamentally closed-off and fragile inside, and I find being publicly exposed to be so unbearably painful that I'm tempted to "disappear" my online self, forever, another life-preserving escape.
Notice how Larry's story about the demise of commenting at TOP has changed yet again? Used to be that there were only two commenters worth shit, and everybody else sucked donkey dick. That was when Destroy Lem's Blog was the order of the day.
Now, suddenly, there were only two evil commenters who ruined a wonderful thing for everyone else. And I Don't Have To Tell You Who They Are.
That tells me that the grifter thinks he's already got his stooge in charge, ready to bring the flock back into the fold.
Minus a couple of bad apples, of course.
I respect what you have to say and feel for you you big homo. That is feel for you not feel you. Calm down.
Facing evil is very tough. Especially when you are hurting. But isolation and hiding never work out well in the long run. If it were me I would make a farewell post. You don't have to get into anything specific. Just share some of what you have said here in a general non-attacking mode. But I totally understand if you can't do that.
You will always have a place to hang out here you big homo. So keep your chins up. Tomorrow is another day.
A day where I am in a store talking to women about their underwear.
Life is good.
Meh. I always have my pasture. And here.
That's true Evi.
I always said that I went to TOP for the commenters. Most of the good ones went over to Lem's place. The freewheeling style and the different bloggers seemed to be working out great. I would miss some of them if they left and went back to TOP. But what are you gonna do?
Some of my favorite old TOP commenters seem to be sitting this out. Paul Zrimsek, bgates, Chef Mojo, Calypso Facto, Tim in SF, Virgil Xenophon, and the two Scotts come to mind immediately. I'm not sure if Madison Man comments at Lem's, but he'd also be on my list.
Most of my other faves are right here.
They might be totally on board the Althouse bullet train to hell. MadisonMan is too wishy washy but he emailed them and posted under the new regime.
This feels like that movie with the aliens that you can only see with sunglasses and I feel like Rowdy Roddy Piper.
Does that mean I have to wear a kilt?
I think many of the guys you mentioned started posting when I was taking a break from TOP and I do not have a relationship with them or I would have invited them to post here.
I posted how to get an invite often enough the past few days and some other people have taken advantage of it to join up. The people you mentioned seem to have dropped off the grid.
Primacy is a big factor. People hate admitting their first impulses were wrong. If you never bought in big to AA and LM in the first place, it is not hard to see them for what they are. But to true believers like Lem and FH, it is very difficult. Especially when they consider most of us bastards that ruined Althouse.
Mostly I only see TOP posts now that people here refer to. But I did appreciate the fact that what seemed to be her longest post in a while was about a train wreck.
bgates in particular threw some of the best barbs I've ever seen at EBL. (S)he would've fit right in here.
I won't post it here, of course, but the most troubling and hurtful message to me came from Ann Althouse herself.
That's what I really can't get over, her husband aside.
And I also collected all the emails that Laurence Meade and I traded, regarding those prints and my "fraudulent business practices". I wish I could post them over at Lem's site, they tell a huge part of the story that isn't being told, but I can't. I don't want any more attention from them. I want this to just go away.
... but I also want people to know that I'm not a fraud or con artist.
I'm w/ yashu in being unable to see how anyone who saw what was done to you can treat Larry w/ anything but contempt.
Well I appreciate what you are saying Palladian and I don't think any honest appraisal would label you a con artist. I do think that you have a lot of friends there who are worried about you and don't have access here to hear you speak.
So a simple and heartfelt post where you say so long might assuage some of those concerns. Don't talk about Meade. Simply say that things were bad and now they are looking up and you are ok and will see you around. A classy post might be just the catharsis you need to wrap it up.
But I don't want to convince you to do anything. Despite what Freeman Hunt says I do not want to manipulate you to attack Meade. Do what you think is best. If laying low is what you need right now then that is what you should do.
We have your back.
Luckily it is so big we can all fit behind it.
On the other hand be prepared for Leisure Suit Larry to lose his shit and come after you full throttle. Don't read his comments.
It is a tough choice. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.
We are here to help.
Palladian, they are small people. Do what you think best. I wish you the best in this.
See you have a cow at your back. You can even get a horn up your ass.
Is that a gay thing?
Trooper's right that Larry would just throw more turdballs.
Nobody thinks Palladian is a con artist. Larry's lackeys refuse to acknowledge the obvious truth about him, but even they can't possibly think that what he says about Palladian is true.
Luckily it is so big we can all fit behind it.
Keep in front, man. I'm a top.
Your abrasive and offensive edge is comforting, Trooper.
That's not a sexual thing, btw.
There's photographic evidence that Trooper has no edges.
Hey that's how we roll here at Trooper York.
And I don't want you whacking your bag at my beefcake poses in the pool.
That was for the ladies.
And I don't want you whacking your bag at my beefcake poses in the pool.
That was for the ladies.
I am a lady. At least on the weekends.
But fear not, I'm the daddy bear, it would really ruin my rep to pound the bishop over an even older man.
Your abrasive and offensive edge is comforting, Trooper.
This is good to know. lol
Let's do the collective blog thing. I like everybody at Lem's blog but if LSL is running things, I'm out.
And I don't blame you for not wanting to tangle with them again, Palladian. One of the posts from "fionamcwhatevs" talked about being well prepared to do battle (I don't remember the wording). Why give people wanting to do evil any opportunity?
Meade and Althouse are the only losers in that exchange between you and Meade. Know that.
p.s. Don't go away.
I'm not sure a new, neutral place would work. Pretty to think so.
Lem's joint has gotten really hard to read, just from a layout stand point.
Meh.
Wow, This is like an Art Bell thread!
I would listen to Art Bell sometimes doing all night surveillance. However, you folks aren't nearly as whacky, just late nighters.
damn--again, I go out for the evening and tune back in and its the same sturm und drang. I hate quoting anything Bill Clinton said, but it really is time to move on.
I don't post much any more except on primarily military or national security stuff. And will keep it that way. I use the scroll down button liberally. Life is too short to wallow in this stuff.
YMMV, of course.
But, now what? Can someone else just take over?
If Lem doesn't want to be responsible for the blog that he started, it is really easy. I don't blame him. I wouldn't want to be tied down to a blog. I mean I have two blogs, but if I decide to neglect them....no one cares.
He is currently the "Aministrator" and he can add other users as "Authors" and can easily change one of the Authors into being Administrator..
He should just make an announcement that he is stepping down as administrator and handing the job off to someone else. He doesn't even need to say who the Admin is.
Instead of closing down a perfectly nice coffee house, we are just changing proprietors.
Maybe someone could forward him this information. I sent him an email previously and he didn't respond back to me, so I don't think I'm a favored commenter ..../shrug.
Notice how Larry's story about the demise of commenting at TOP has changed yet again?
As it will continue to do so again and again and again and again.
Not sure which elements changed this time but last I saw over the course of two days he went from saying he'd wanted the comments to stay and fought against EBL's plan to remove them from saying that he's wanted them to go ever since he got his ass aboard the Madison Express.
You're forgetting the most salient thing. Everything they say is simply for the sake of manipulation and nothing has any truth to it beyond that. Even her take on art was a way of reminding you, nearly every day, of just how much perspective can be warped and manipulated. The fish-eye thing. Each open cafe comments thread. It's ok, let's change up the mood just like that 'cause I said so!
The shame of it now is Larry's insistence on persistence as that's already seemed to permanently change the tone of the blog. They are accepting him way too easily. A year-long ban might not have been time enough, if you'd asked me. Or even three years.
He's regaining control. Yes, Lem's capacity for being manipulated is astonishing.
Why do you think Paddy O was talking about tricks of influence.
Meade is toxic. He is just one of those people you do not want in your life.
I think he was being subtle but that is how you lose elections. The low information comment thinks it is all fine and dandy. I notice how Leisure Suit Larry is going to the end of dead threads and leaving a shot that will not be replied to since the thread is dead. He did it to me and to Spinelli who are two of his chief antagonists.
I don't want to reply because it is just not worth it. I am willing to suspend judgment and wait and see what happens.
But I will repeat if Freeman Haig comes out and says she is in control....well I will just make myself scarce. It is as simple as that.
Let's see what Chief Stalking Horse does before we jump to conclusions.
Oh and by the way I mean the low information commenter. I still am not awake yet. Sorry.
It will be only a matter of time until Leisure Suit Larry commits another atrocity. So we can be patient.
Okay I'm going to comment first then read the thread backwards--but--
*is* Lem ignoring Larry--or is that the Jose Cuervo?
(now going to read you guys.)
It's not going to stop, Troop. "Lem's" blog is Larry and Annie's attempt to control from afar. It might not entirely be The Larry and Lem Show, but it might as well be at this point. His influence and persistence assures enough instability to obviate any peaceful "home away from home" or a "second home" or even just a better place. It's like Livia Soprano moved in with Tony and the kids.
I hear you but I still want to reserve judgment. I have faith in the integrity of people like Chickie, Synova, Chip Ahoy, Paddy O and Pastafarian. Others not so much. But I don't those guys would be party to any such manipulation. I do think they might be caught holding the bag. Or having to pay the check when the Althouses dine and dash. They have done that to me before.
I don't think they would be party to any such shenanigans.
I really need more fuckin' coffee. And some freakin donuts.
Okay shit just read the thread...
Read a lot of stuff here last night.
Ritmo has it right.
She is classic NPD.
So quit making excuses for her.
Palladian remember when you and Trooper met her at the restaurant and she didn't even bother to tell you a kind lie as to why she was an hour late?
"I'm late because I was going to cancel because no one interesting was showing up?"
Give me a gawd damn break--that is classic.
You and Trooper--not "interesting"?
Anyways--no wonder she latched onto Palladian--some real evil can happen when an NPD gets a hold of someone near the autistic spectrum.
Also Chip Ahoy is probably not the person because......
there is something going on there.
--btw two other things.
1) Tweety Bird dropped the word--
"Grace" on a thread--that squirrel doesn't come by that word on his own so......
After reading the emails of Palladian posted here....
I think they are being told what is said--because Palladian talks about "grace".
It could be coincidence but I doubt it.
Also....from my experience...from what I am seeing at Althouse do not be surprised if she is gearing up to flop down one hell of a--
"victim card."
Troop, I agree with you re: Chickie's, Synova's, Paddy O's, and even Pasta's integrity. Esp. Paddy O's. But integrity alone won't cut it. That needs to be combined with good judgment calls and some fortitude. And if you have someone determined enough there will always be a way for him to warp and needle - esp. if that's really his only goal. Honestly, the best hope for that blog is the fact that they're all younger than Larry and can hope that he runs out of steam or interest before they do.
I think you are right. The people who have the integrity might not want to get into a fight about it. They might just opt out of the equation. Fortitude is tough. Not everybody has it. Or has it at the right time. Or they might have it and not use it. I didn't when I should have punched the producer of my show in the fuckin face. But I let money get in the way. I will always regret it but there you are.
So I am not going to judge. People have to do what they want to do. You can't hide anything in this world. It always comes out. We just have to wait and see. But you can fool some of the people all of the time. That is what LSL is counting on.
And Maddy you are right about Chip.
There is something else going on.
I just think it is very impressive that he is posting so much interesting stuff from so deep in the closet. It must be dark in there. Just sayn'
I think there's some room for hope in that the number of contributors is a force against the number of threads he can derail. I'm just looking at the technical things at this point as my desire to reserve judgment is now morphing into an admission of what's the worst that he could do? He's just a troll after all - maybe stronger than Lem but hopefully not the rest of the blog as a whole. I guess the power he's given as a troll depends on how much one digs back into those better memories. It must be really hard for those of you who've had a history of trusting him/her as much as you did.
Meade is like the scorpion riding across the river on the back of the frog.
Well here is the thing. The girl just can't help himself. He is going to be a dick. He has no talent as a commenter. He never did. His posting consisted of posting videos. He can only keep his nastiness under wraps for so long.
I didn't when I should have punched the producer of my show in the fuckin face. But I let money get in the way. I will always regret it but there you are.
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Shit....I bet there is a helluva story there.
Oy...reading Palladina...what Palladian has been through.
Look--there is something about Chip Ahoy--he needs a place..but the kid has a lot of walls I think....
So it is hard to read him--he does that as a defense mechanism most likely.
Maddy - was there more in this thread about emails to Palladian? I thought he wasn't going into word-by-word or reprinted details of them at this point.
Again, it's like I want to look away but the extent of what they reveal about their disease is really the greatest weapon/motivator against their persistence and power.
The story is here on the blog. That is why it went private. Everybody didn't need to know it at the time. Now it is old news.
Just click on the tag "Big Brooklyn Style."
Trooper York said...
And Maddy you are right about Chip.
There is something else going on.
I just think it is very impressive that he is posting so much interesting stuff from so deep in the closet.
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Well he is coming out of his shell a little bit and it is amazing to see--but he also --stayed up all night one time.
It's funny--I saw Lem grow a set and checkmate creeley23 via Synova--and there was Chip Ahoy cleaning up the mess in a sense....
Trooper York said...
The story is here on the blog. That is why it went private. Everybody didn't need to know it at the time. Now it is old news.
Just click on the tag "Big Brooklyn Style."
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Heh--thanks.
Hell you wouldn't believe how much I went through the other night--thank gawd some people *see* it--it was a weird secret garden of smart people....
if that makes any sense.
Ok.
49 posts under that, though!
Rhythm and Balls said...
Maddy - was there more in this thread about emails to Palladian? I thought he wasn't going into word-by-word or reprinted details of them at this point.
Again, it's like I want to look away but the extent of what they reveal about their disease is really the greatest weapon/motivator against their persistence and power.
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Ritmo--no he just did this one word sentence--congratulating the "better" commenters and it was while I was trying to corner the jerk and he ended the comment with--
"Grace."
It just seemed weird at the time--and last night when I read Palladian's emails about his belief in --
"the grace of God" ----it just kind of clicked.
The hell if a character like Laurence even thinks much about "grace" or uses the word.
Talking about videos, here is one...
I think the hardest part will be sifting through all the nonsense comments from Oop.
Or maybe that will make it easier.
Rhythm and Balls said...
Ok.
49 posts under that, though!
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Ritmo are you saying you found it?
Hell I 'll go find it.
The hell if a character like Laurence even thinks much about...
Their disease involves thinking only to the extent that they identify the words and phrases they need to get what they want. Even every particle of language is used to that effect.
They pretty much are the Alinsky they kept writing about...
No, I'm still looking. Starting with the more comment-heavy posts.
Here--son of a bitch--it does come up when discussing Palladian.
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El Pollo Raylan said...
As I quoted Lewis Carroll's Red Queen, "first the sentence, and then the evidence!"
Very well, then. We can mark evidence going forward, as it accrues, and have a "sentence" at a later date. I'm betting the answer will be the same.
July 26, 2013 at 5:57 PM
Evi L. Bloggerlady said...
Separated at Birth...
July 26, 2013 at 6:00 PM
madawaskan said...
Scroll up. I never brought up the topic of Palladian. You all did.
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Yes I did.
I thought that was something that needed to be worked out and ridded from the system.
I completely understand for a variety of reasons that isn't going to happen.
July 26, 2013 at 6:00 PM
Laurence Meade said...
Some of you seem to be stopping, thinking, and turning away from the lynch mob.
Grace.
July 26, 2013 at 6:00 PM
Cripes--
Let me try and get you a direct link to the thread.
It's the one with 246 comments.
Pasta's thread about "Anti-Althousiana"
http://comonocreerendios-lem.blogspot.com/2013/07/this-is-true-face-of-anti-althousia.html#links
Link
btw--
the stupid bastard Laurence when he first came onto Althouse he was moaning about the firstwife who was...
ya--just guess--
NPD.
Thanks Maddy -
I thought this was all divulged on a TY thread, though - hence the tag he mentioned. The CH/Pastafarian comment you're bringing up must be the "grace" buzzword, though - right? I already had no problem believing that. Just was curious about emails posted here because then I can see what the loonies are up to behind the scenes in those vaunted email sessions they'd always encourage. Never took them up on that offer, heh.
Ah.. interesting @12:28. That explains more. Did you know he tried to have conversations with me about that sort of thing on my own blog?
For someone with such an experience, it would make sense that he'd refer to "grace". It actually would have been an important part of moving forward. Instead he stepped backward into the muck with another one and/or either came a bit pathological this time as a result instead.
No emails were posted here. Palladian talks about them in general terms but agrees with me that what was sent in an email should be kept private unless the other party agrees to posting in. Just reading what Palladian has to say about it gives you the fist of it though.
I am just sorry that a lot of people who still trust that lovely couple are not privy to the details. But what can you do. I am confident that they will screw up again soon.
Larry is like that.
Rhythm and Balls said...
Ah.. interesting @12:28. That explains more. Did you know he tried to have conversations with me about that sort of thing on my own blog?
For someone with such an experience, it would make sense that he'd refer to "grace". It actually would have been an important part of moving forward. Instead he stepped backward into the muck with another one and/or either came a bit pathological this time as a result instead.
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Okay--so you are getting a more benign read from it?
It still wouldn't surprise me if they know about stuff here.
Plus Freeman demanding that everything be out and that no one should talk where she can't know what is going on--
that doesn't happen in the real world so why have that expectation online?
Trooper York said...
But I will repeat if Freeman Haig comes out and says she is in control....well I will just make myself scarce. It is as simple as that.
I don't think that is too likely at this point, but if she knew that, she might try it. She's not in charge. It's a consensus, with deference to Lem.
However, I could chirbit such a dust-up though: Nixon reassures Freeman Hunt
I have quite a few chirbits already in my quiver. When I need more, I make them ad libitum.
I had an experience with Miss Hunt back in the first fight I had with ALthouse a few years ago. She asked for my email and I told her if she had something to say she could say it to the whole class. She got very pissy about it and ever since then it has been very touchy. I try to avoid her if I can.
Okay--so you are getting a more benign read from it?
Not really. Even if something was important for him coming out of a bad experience that doesn't give him the right to turn into a douchebag (and again, even if he'd gotten hurt it doesn't mean he wasn't a douchebag to begin with), nor does it give him the right to say that others need to get over things in the same way he did, especially when it's for ends as self-serving as his and Annie's.
Nope, he's still a douche. Even Hitler might have burned himself on a stove, once. Assholes can hurt also.
"the fist of it"... Lol. Was that an intentional typo?
I am glad to hear that Chickie. I just felt it was the plan. They usually do stuff like that on Friday nights when people are not paying attention.
BTW Troop - I love that "Big Brooklyn Style" post-pic where you and Lisa are sitting all serious-looking as if in judgment. That must be a credits/intro shot.
The one of you with your family is also really nice. Good crew.
It makes me want to have a family just so's that we can all enter some grand business venture together.
Just make sure it isn't Pawn Shop Warriors (or whatever the name is).
Heh.
Oh, actually I guess it was a shot from an interview.
As my mom would say when I'd mouth off and then stub my toe or whatever - "God got you!"
Man she could be tough but she's still a good woman. Imagine growing up with EBL. She probably would have been pretty distant though, is the image I gather - but in a way that might have not been such a bad thing.
@madawaskan and ritmo: exactly what are you guys looking for in the archives? Perhaps I can assist you?
With Freeman I'd always had the impression that she'd had a lot of things easy in life, for whatever reason (although it's not hard to imagine at least one), so there's probably that.
ha!
Chickie!
Well I think Miss Hunt is influencing Lem--sort of a substitute teacher, er EBL.
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Ritmo
by benign reading I just was referring to him dropping that word--"grace" Meade's self appointed role at Lem's is cancerous.
@El Pollo Raylan - I get the impression (unless I'm reading incorrectly) that there was an email between Palladian and EBL/Larry that gives some insight into how they'd tried to manipulate him in the past.
El Pollo Raylan said...
@madawaskan and ritmo: exactly what are you guys looking for in the archives? Perhaps I can assist you?
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El Pollo
we found it.
Flipping Larry dropped the word "grace" when talking about Palladian to me in the thread and I was reading Palladian's emails to the gang here and I thought he might be trying to let Palladian know that they are informed of what is going on over here and/or reading here.
I think Ritmo believes it is not intended that way.
There is but he wants to keep it private and I think we should respect that.
Some things are more important than winning the argument.
You learn that when you get married. Just sayn'
Maddy - Yes, I understand he's using the word "grace" with Palladian (not Lem) in a way that I disapprove of. It's not his place to tell Palladian that he has no right to an apology and must just instead be more gracious about their wrongdoing.
If it was kept private then I have no right to pry, that's true.
Trooper York said...
There is but he wants to keep it private and I think we should respect that.
Some things are more important than winning the argument.
You learn that when you get married. Just sayn'
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LOL!
"Yes, dear." is like--
"Abacadabra!" it's the magic phrase.
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Ritmo--
No what I am thinking is in the emails from Palladian to the rest of the gang here--the ones above the fold--Palladian refers to--
"the grace of God"--believing in that.
that is something they would get a twofer of jollies over.
Mocking him for that--and letting him know that they have access to what is done or said over at Trooper's.
I sure as hell hope that I am wrong.
@madawaskan: I convinced myself a month or so ago that the entity behind the banned "Titus" still reads here so I don't ever assume things are air tight.
Ah, ok. I think I see.
Well, I'll just say what I used to say to Inga. It gets a little convoluted at that point and isn't worth pondering further for now. Being ok with incomplete evidence takes wisdom. We know the important things about douchebaggery and manipulation and it doesn't look like there's much here that couldn't have been easily speculated.
Just be glad y'all aren't like Inga. She used to come up with sock-puppet conspiracy theories that would have made a chain of pretzels seem straight. Absolutely nuts.
El Pollo Raylan said...
@madawaskan: I convinced myself a month or so ago that the entity behind the banned "Titus" still reads here so I don't ever assume things are air tight.
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Yep, safe assumption.
Thanks Chick so much for the lifeline to sanity or something.
I was like--am I the only one that wants to bean these people.
Oy--I promised some peeps a trip to the zoo but in case you all didn't see this--
It's Fen and it's f'n funny--
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Fen said...
"It opens the door to reconciliation. Just look at Meade's reaction. This is a step down the right road."
Really? Because from here it looks like some of you are bending over backwards to get screwed again. Really kinda sad, especially after the way Meade showed his ass here.
I'm with Crack. Its like you guys have battered wife syndrome. Let it go? Sure. But move back in? Pathetic.
July 27, 2013 at 8:58 AM
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That was me--before I found you all here.
LOL!
Catch you guys later.
Damn Troop is a mensch--or however the hell you spell that.
Adore you guys--and that is the last time I ever type that.
I'm going to *hurl*
You spelled it right. I've got to go to0. Life beyond the investigation of mundane manipulation awaits! Later.
"Grace" was a big theme on Lem's blog on a post just after it started a couple weeks ago, IIRC.
Freeman is less in charge of Lem's than you guys think. I get that some may resent her because she's a straight arrow, and also seems to have a lot going for her -- that's nothing to hold against her. I think she recognizes the wrong that Meade did to Palladian.
I get that some may resent her because she's a straight arrow, and also seems to have a lot going for her -- that's nothing to hold against her.
Just to clear the air, having a lot going for oneself is not a bad thing unless it makes it impossible for you to relate to or sympathize with or care for those who don't. And only Freeman can honestly say whether in her case it does or doesn't.
I am glad that is the case Chickie. I don't want to bash her. We just don't get along and never have.
So I want to let it lay. I hope that the contributors over there can work it out.
I want to stay out of it because I am not Leisure Suit Larry. I don't need to control everything and everyone.
I get that some may resent her because she's a straight arrow, and also seems to have a lot going for her
Not even close.
Well, I have started a *neutral* site with good security. But, so far, it's just my little interests, which are pretty predictable and not wildly popular. I'm open to topic suggestions. Just drop by and leave a comment somewhere. Once you've left an approved comment, moderation is off for you. I hope this works. The template kind of sucks, because it's WordPress, but the security is much better, I hope.
I can't begin to do what Chip Ahoy does. He's brilliant. My sensibilities are lower key and more obscure, and I'm just not as good.
But I would love to have Palladian come over and say something. If Palladian wants to put up a rebuttal post, he's certainly welcome. It would raise a shitstorm, but, as I say, I have the keys to the gate. Also, if Larry or someone like him sneaks in, I have the power to make them say anything I want. You would have an abject apology to Palladian under Larry's (or related sockpuppet's) name faster than you can say "J. Lohr Cabernet."
Anyway, here it is.
Troop, you can be right or you can be happy. Sometimes it is best to be happy.
And I agree with Chick, FH was shocked by Meade's recent behavior. I do not have high hopes for her fixing anything at Lem's (it is what it is), but it is just taking her some time to process that. Sort of like (I would imagine) when she gave up being an atheist to be a Christian.
Titus is just a schtick. That has been obvious for a long time. If he he is here...tits!
So far, I've played down The Conflict, and just put up happy things. But I would love the chance to poke a finger in Meadehouse's eye. But only in a civil and charming way, of course.
I would like to thank each and every one of you for your comments - I have been busy and now I feel as though I am all caught up with the news I can use.
Inside baseball has nothing on you guys.
Youse guys, in Troopski speak.
So what else is going on in the rest of the wide world?
I am starving. I am stuck in the store alone and just made a big sale. But I haven't had anything to eat or drink except for a cup of coffee and I think I am going to faint or something.
I pop in a comment or post in between customers so it doesn't look like I am too pushy.
Troop you need a trusted customer to make a prosciutto balls run for you.
TTBurnett, each in our own way. We cover a spectrum, from Sixty to Lem.
I need a fuckin' sandwich. Lately I have been enjoying the tuna salad on a bagel from Dunkin Donuts. The dot head guy freaks out when I order them three at a time.
What?
Don't judge me.
I am not too critical of FH. She is not dishonest, but she is a bit rigid and self righteous. That is okay (I guess) but it is not the sort of person I like spending a lot of time with. Not out of dislike (I truly dislike dishonest people), there is often not a whole lot to discuss with a person like that.
Why don't you have a pizza delivered to the shop? Especially if Lisa is away.
Guy don't need no sense to be a nice fella. Seems to me sometimes it jus' works the other way around. Take a real smart guy and he ain't hardly ever a nice fella.
"Of Mice And Men"
Is Lem Lenny?
If I met Lem in person I know we would get along. But online - he seems to be a drunken buffoon.
Maybe a double buffoon. Or contra buffoon to double reed players.
The wife just came in. Dunkin Donuts run. Donuts....hmmmmmm.....donuts.
I thought about a separated at birth, Gweneth Paltrow spewing BS and...?
Well you can figure out the rest.
If you go to the Betemax thread there is a comment by LSL that he shoots himself in both feet.
I said there, and I know you folks know me, I was simply speaking about trust, forgiveness, etc. because that was part of the thread. As you know, I REALLY believe in that shit. LSL took a potshot while invoking Jesus, and it is just venom out of the blue. As I said later, maybe that opened an eye or two. Probably quixotic.
He never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
The beauty of my site is I can comment on Ann and Meade and they will never comment on it or even reference it. They just lurk.
I'm tellin' ya, they need a comment dictator. Put someone in charge that will clean out the scrub ruthlessly. Seriously, how good would that place be minus just LSL and Nurse Ratched?
Palladian would be great too-- but unfortunately, that place is probably too poisoned for him now.
No, they need someone more hard-headed than that, someone with a lot more bastard in them.
Mostly, moderation should be hands off, only stepping in when things get out of hand. Revealing personal information, for example, or straight forward trolling. Or trying to take over a thread solely for the sake of personal drama, which is Inga's biggest and most repeated crime. But whoever was doing that would need to be thick skinned personally and straightforward in their approach.
At this point the Toxic Avenger and Nurse Ratched need to disappear for a month, just to see how things develop. (I would say permanently, but there is ZERO change of that happening.) After that, give them probational status until they hang themselves again. But let the thing breathe and develop on its own. It's still very new and very much a by-the-seat-of-its-pants venture.
That is feel for you not feel you.
Tease....
Palladian, I'll probably start posting more over at Ambiance. Feel free to drop in over there. I have administrative capabilities there and won't put up with any untoward shit in the comments. LSL shows up over there, for example, and he'll start apologizing for ever being born, and I mean that literally - I can edit other people's comments!
Palladian, if you want to post those emails somewhere else, you can either set up a quickie blog on blogger, or I can even post them on my personal blog. That'll be almost as good as not posting them anywhere, as I've only got three people that read my personal site (which is not Ambiance), so best of both worlds!
I think the opposite. Well almost the opposite. When you get a J or an Inga they have to be deleted. Otherwise anything goes. Even Leisure Suit Larry. He alienates more people every time he writes something.
Larry is good at revealing himself. I would not delete his comments. I would just relentlessly mock them for their insipidness.
Larry is good at revealing himself. I would not delete his comments. I would just relentlessly mock them for their insipidness.
Heh. Let him post one or two things, then freeze him out of the thread after so's he cain't deeefend hisself.
What about Bags? Everybody likes Bags, and Bags seems like he's got dickish streak behind those blue eyes.
I think Bags would be good at it. Not that he'd probably ever want to do it.
Ugh I am having a hard time with this.
No I don't resent Freeman--I think Lem gets overly dependent on women.
and/or Althouse-- I think a lot of the guys did.
And geez Ritmo the comparison to Inga?
I never liked that person--maybe I am over reading you there.
Sorry I didn't want to bother Troop with that in email and I knew it would cause too much drama where there already is too much drama--
but seeing what Palladian wrote...upthread and seeing that he had the same gut feeling, instinct and or hunch that I did--I over-rided my thought process on that and decided it would be worth it to give him validation that I had the same suspicion and that his fear was legitimate.
For a lot of reasons I feel that I owe Palladian.
There's probably no way for anyone to get that with me not wanting to get into my personal stuff.
Anyways that stuff hurts to read.
I'm such a loser!
Also I'm a RINO let's just get that out there so you all will hate me anyhow.
heh.
Also I'm a RINO let's just get that out there so you all will hate me anyhow
Admiting it is the first step /wink.
Seriously, we have a very good friend, our attorney actually, who is a lefty moderate. We couldn't be further apart on many topics politically. Yet, we all get along and have some very nice times over a few glasses of wine and some BBQ leg of lamb. Not everyone agrees on that last one. My husband and his wife hate lamb. I cook them chicken.
Dust Bunny Queen said...
Also I'm a RINO let's just get that out there so you all will hate me anyhow
Admiting it is the first step /wink.
Seriously, we have a very good friend, our attorney actually, who is a lefty moderate. We couldn't be further apart on many topics politically. Yet, we all get along and have some very nice times over a few glasses of wine and some BBQ leg of lamb. Not everyone agrees on that last one. My husband and his wife hate lamb. I cook them chicken.
July 27, 2013 at 5:23 PM
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DBQ
Thanks.
LOL!-- I voted for Ross Perot and I still --wow that was stupid...
So...
"My husband and his wife hate lamb."
Took me a minute...
We don't hate Rhinos. We just don't vote for them.
They belong in the zoo. That's all.
Yet, we all get along and have some very nice times over a few glasses of wine and some BBQ leg of lamb.
What a coincidence! I convinced the people I'm currently staying with to let me cook them a leg of lamb on the grill (I'm trading cooking for a temporary place to stay). Much consternation, and they're paying for the ingredients, so I hope it's liked. I was going to document the cooking and make another recipe post on "Comment Home" but I still can't bring myself to even visit that site and run into Laurence Meade or Inga, who is now stalking me too, for no good reason.
We don't hate Rhinos. We just don't vote for them.
They belong in the zoo. That's all
Speaking of large, massive RINOs, what's up with that asshole Chris Christie?
He lives in New Jersey.
An oxymoron.
When Meade makes an especially big turd on those threads, someone copy it in italics and mock it. That way he can't delete it when things start heating up.
Sixty, I think he ate New Jersey
I think the opposite. Well almost the opposite. When you get a J or an Inga they have to be deleted. Otherwise anything goes.
Trooper, I don't care about people fighting, or getting into it with each other. I've been at it in the last four weeks with a couple of stupid fucks that can't read (Roger J and phx) and wouldn't delete a thing either of them have written. That's how it goes. (Roger J is here some of the time, and I am sure his opinion is that I'm the stupid fuck. And I've got no problem with that.)
The problem with "J" and Inga and Meade (and others) is that they derail entire sections of blogs by making everything about their personal bullshit. And THAT should not be permitted. I wouldn't leave Meade's bullshit up because making Meade look like the douche nozzle he is isn't the point.
Fostering a place for people to hang out, write and read about things that interest them, have conversations that start one place and wander off into other realms, have fun, get angry, fight, bicker, make-up (but not make-out: no icky stuff, please, just porn), make friends, make enemies, or whatever else is the point. I'm not at all interested in seeing "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" as a movie, and even less interested in living it.
That's what I mean about having a hard-ass in charge: Someone to clean out the absolute crap and not sweat the small stuff. Lem's not tough enough (IMO) to do the first part, and Freeman (to name another) would likely be too strict for the other.
I think Bags would be good at it. Not that he'd probably ever want to do it.
Bagoh would be perfect, but he won't do it. Commenting is one thing, moderating is another thing and much more time consuming.
And DBQ we don't need the details of those swingers parties where you throw the shish kabob skewers on the table to see who you went home with.
Sheeessh.
A tip about Chris Christie. He went to school with reader-I-am now know as rcommal and she is extremely sensitive about him.
So I have to pick at that scab as much as I can.
So I have to pick at that scab as much as I can.
You can try, but I think she has largely removed herself from the online life. I need to call her soon, but it's actually been either too busy or too hot to do anything serious down here.
And I don't think she's told me that she went to school with Christie. Huh, I'll have to bring that up.
I just posted some shit at the Christie thread.
She is going to go mental.
"I think Bags would be good at it. Not that he'd probably ever want to do it."
I don't think I would be good at it. I would need the ability to ban people, but would only use it for those who just ugly up the place. A chronic Titus or J type, who are just gross and ugly in a childish attempt to shock. That's just like picking up dog shit in the front yard to me.
I would not have banned Meade for his recent assholery, even though I found it extremely ugly. People came to Palladian's defense and countered it well.
I would not be motivated enough to work it, unless as I suggested to Lem, it was heavily monetized and the proceeds went to charity. I don't need money so it's no problem to work for free personally, but I need to be accomplishing something like supporting charity.
Lastly, I'm just not talented in the writing/blogging arts like Trooper, Althouse, and apparently, Chip Ahoy. That's a special talent to be able to consistently produce content like that.
" Bags seems like he's got dickish streak behind those blue eyes."
That's very sweet of you, but that dickish streak, is from dragging a bag of dicks around, and they're actually green. No, not the dicks.
Honestly though, I'm too much of a pussy. I even perfume my bag of dicks.
That reminds me of something I wanted to say to Palladian. Why don't you get it together and sell those scents big time. If Trooper is willing to give you a spot in his store, you should be jumping on mound of round and pumping it for everything you can.
BTW, I would love to see you develop an "Eau de Bag of Dicks".
Troop, do not get chivvied into fisticuffs.
Oh yea, I would definitely ban Inga. Ain't nobody got time fo dat.
I was going to document the cooking and make another recipe post on "Comment Home" but I still can't bring myself to even visit that site and run into Laurence Meade or Inga, who is now stalking me too, for no good reason.
DO it anyway!! Screw them.
Here is how I do my leg of lamb. I would love to hear your recipe. It is always a treat when I can find someone who will help me eat it. My husband doesn't care for lamb so I rarely make it at home. It must be rare!
Butterfly Leg of Lamb BBQ. Really a simple recipe.
Bone and butterfly the leg of lamb. Use 4 large metal skewers and criss cross the in a sort of square skewering the lamb so it will lay flat and not curl on the bbq. Early in the morning make a marinade (measurments estimated) of 1/2 cup olive oil, 1/4 cup fresh squeezed lemon juice, 1/4 cup dry white wine, crushed fresh rosemary, cracked pepper. Sometimes I will also use fresh parsley or chives In a shallow roasting pan pour the marinade over the skewered lamb. In refrigerator turn several times to keep lamb basted in marinade. About an hour before cooking take the meat out to let it get to room temperature.
I bbq over an indirect bed of coals. Coals on each side of the lamb. And then at the very end move it over the hot coals to sear a crust. I also sprinkle the lamb with sea salt for the last couple of turns on the coals.
I like my lamb rare and the butterflied lamb allows the thickest part to be rare, while the more narrow parts are more well done. Everyone gets some to the level of doneness that they like.
:-)
OK DBQ, I'm on the way. I'll grab some wine and bread. Don't start without me.
Sorry Bags...behind those sparkly green eyes...
Pretty much everything you said actually convinces me even more you'd be good at it.
Other than the banning Meade thing. I think I might've done that. Or at least suspended him or something.
And I second your call to Palladian about selling his scents.
If he needs money to start up with the supplies or whatever, he could probably do a crowd source type of fund raising.
Or he could just take on a couple of partners. I'm sure he wouldn't have to look far for people who'd be interested.
I can vouch for Bags' willingness to rhetorically slap around LSL. He's already done a decent job of it on CH here and there. Nothing over-the-top. Just decent and Baggsian.
Oh I would never compare you or anyone here to Inga, Maddy! That's why I said, be glad you're not like her!
Ritmo, I hope I'm as much of a pleasant surprise to you as you are to me once out of Althouse. You're almost human to me now.
I still think we see political stuff about as similar as Jews and Arabs, but it's all good anyway. Having now met you at this oasis, I laid off the hit man I had looking for you, and just in time too. He just texted me with "Should I take the shot?" I replied "not yet".
There are some people you cannot live with. Their intentions are always going to be against you, the community, happiness, success, etc.
IRL, you have to excommunicate them. Online, you have to ban them.
You even have to ban people from communicating with them, even, otherwise susceptible people will "be nice" and drag shit back into the community.
There's a reason young communities have such strict rules: Without them, they die.
peaking of large, massive RINOs, what's up with that asshole Chris Christie?
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LMAO!
Rhythm and Balls said...
Oh I would never compare you or anyone here to Inga, Maddy! That's why I said, be glad you're not like her!
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Oh thank you--Gaia--I lurked for awhile before just quitting and that ....person...what a piece of work.
( I saw Troop trying to befriend her and I was all--
Nooooooo!!!! Don't . DO. It!--from the lurk seats)
So I just got back from getting lost in the woods, then I drove by people protesting that--
"The Whole System is Racist"--and now I am watching MMA that I taped.
Looking for tips on how arm-bar Lem.
No--that's just a joke!
--btw son of bitch Crack almost talked me into Christie....
How the heck did he do that?
Thanks Bag. It's all good. I knew you were a cool dude also.
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