I know youse guys are getting tired of hearing me complain about this Pope. I know my parish priest is big time. He keeps telling me "I don't want to hear it....he was misquoted....they are distorting his meaning.....just put some more in the collection basket and don't think about it because there is nothing we can do."
I sized him up as your typical ultra-liberal liberation theology Sandinista type. Just like De Blasio as a matter of fact. I just don't want him to do the Church what De Blasio is doing to New York.
Powerline had a couple of good posts on this today. One talks about his laughable qoute that good Catholics should not be in the business of producing firearms. What? We should not make or have weapons so it would be easier for the Muslims to cut our heads off? What the hell is he talking about?
Then there is a post about the new encyclical that buys into the climate change alarmist prescription to stop economic because the earth is warming or cooling or whatever fits the scenario that will put shackles on the Industrial West. He is pushing a line that will result in more suffering and pain for the poor who need cheap energy more than anyone! Talk about your unintended consequences.
I am taking Michael Haz's advice and following the example of St. Benedict. Hunkering down and waiting this out. I have faith that this is a short term thing and that the Church will weather the storm of having an incompetent and pernicious Pope. I have faith.
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Didn't Michaelangelo and DaVinci make weapons? And they were "good Catholics" and even fanooks.
The media and others are commenting on a non-official, bootlegged version of Laudato Si. The official, final, and approved version has not been released.
It's reasonable to expect that the media excerpts have been mistranslated, and chosen to project a specific point of view favored by the media. This is nothing new; it's the same thing that has happened with everything Pope Francis has said or written. Remember a few months ago when the media was all in a tizzy because they believed Pope Francis was going to approve same sex marriages? How'd that turn out?
Here's a link to Fr. John Zuhlsdorf's take on this situation, from his excellent blog.
The same media that thinks the Pope (and RCs in general) are absolutely wrong about abortion, same sex marriage, and a host of other things are going to fawn over the Pope's (rumored) fealty to mother earth. It's hilarious, if you think about it. They will miss the point that RC theology ties everything back to respect for life, from the very beginning of life.
So expect to be challenged by the progressives, the atheists, and the haters of moral values. They want to weaken your faith, to weaken the church. Don't succumb to it. Stay the course. When you fall away, they win.
My faith is solid as a rock. As is my contempt for this Pope. He is a disaster. We just have to wait him out.
Disgustingly, frustratingly hypocritical of the crowd who normally have nothing but scorn, ridicule, and rebuke for the Pope and all things Christian to suddenly look to him as an infallible voice of authority on all things weather.
In case anybody wants to read it, here is the text of Laudato Si' from the Vatican website. This is, in fact, the final version. It's been out for at least 24 hours.
Thanks Tim.
You are certainly free to disagree with the Pope's teaching. Laudato Si' is a challenging document. I disagree with it in places. But, in general, I recommend an honest consideration of what the Holy Father says. There is very little novelty in it. It is, in fact, a compendium of what the Church has taught for a very long time.
For those of you who think the Pope is a "Commie," you should think again. Marxist-Leninists are, by definition, dialectical materialists. The Church's teachings reject both. Original Sin trumps the dialectic, and, of course, Catholicism does not teach materialism. The material world is real, insofar as we understand it: Christ became man, and actually died, bleeding on the Cross, for our sins. But He rose again, transcending the material. And He has a Real Presence in the Eucharist. "It's just a piece of bread!" a materialist would say. No, it's Christ's Body.
And therein lies the mystery of the Eucharist.
Tell me the Pope didn't devote his life to this.
Yes, I may disagree with him on this or that point. But he preaches an authentic Christianity, supported by the teachings and traditions of the Church, uncomfortable as it may make some of us in the modern world who think we know better. The Holy Father's teachings deserve serious consideration and prayer, and he, as Christ's Vicar on Earth, deserves much better than contempt.
TTBurnett ... I do not hold Pope Francis in contempt, I just think he runs off at the mouth on topics not germane to the church. This is NOT the first time. He will not change my faith one bit, but I'd truly appreciate it if he kept politics (and the climate matter is very political today) out of his pronouncements. Of course the earth's condition is a concern for all of us, but the anthropomorphic aspect of its changes is a political viewpoint. One that if pushed to its limits would make the poorest among us even poorer and harder pressed to survive. I think men of the west, which he is, need to think beyond their boundaries before pontificating on causes. Perhaps I misunderstand his point, but I do not see how it was ever germane to propagation of the faith per se.
Let me be clearer...Pope Francis' entertainment of the Palestinian cause is totally political, and that is what irritates me...politics and religion never make good partners. That debate is between others, none of his faith with few exceptions, so why is he involved at all? He cannot claim to be non-political one the one hand and religious on the other...he has chosen both and thus I will ignore him, but that is not the same as contempt. I've personally witnessed politics becoming virtually religion and the result was death and destruction. The reverse is no better. "Peace" is only a word, easily ignored even while spouted, and often used to justify oppression. No thanks.
Tim the refusal to hold pastor and bishops and Popes to a standard is what has got the Church in the terrible shape it is in so many places. The refusal to question and hold priests responsible led to the homosexual sex scandals that have decimated the Church here in America both morally and financially.
I think this Pope is at best misguided and at worst a disaster waiting to happen. When Christians are being slaughtered wholesale by ISIS and the Muslims he is trying to be AL Gore.
I just can't with this guy.
Please take a look at this:
http://ethikapolitika.org/2015/06/19/rereading-francis/
I think this Pope is at best misguided and at worst a disaster waiting to happen.
Especially when he surrounds himself with advisors who are less than faithful.
https://stream.org/scientific-pantheist-who-advises-pope-francis/
This link was up on Drudge just now.
You know what? Contempt is too strong a word. I apologize. I was wrong to say that. No priest should be subject of contempt. Not even someone like Daniel Berrigan or Robert Drinan.
I feel sorrow and worry that this radical follower of liberation theology is our Pope. Sometimes my fear for the Church overwhelms my good sense. I feel that this Pope will be a disaster and bring shame and ignominy on the the Church.
I hope I am wrong. I feel too many are blind to what he is doing. They come up with facile explanations and excuses.
I am resolved to follow Michael Haz's advice and follow the example of St. Benedict to dedicate myself to being a good Catholic in my little sphere of influence. We just have to wait this guy out. It is going to be a rocky road but maybe God is just testing us.
That doesn't mean I will be silent and not speak out. I know the Pope wants to silence his critics in the Traditional Catholic Community. Witness Cardinal Burke being fired. It remains to be see how far he will go in his effort to turn the Church to whatever his vision might be.
Trooper York ... I agree with your last comment. Slightly divergent, we have a Bishop here, Thomas Gumbleton, who was and is rather liberal, and controversial, in his orientation. I've met the man a few times and found him to be very accommodating of differences in opinion and willing to discuss them with just any old dude like me....since we are both of the 60's it can be interesting at times. I last saw him, and talked with him, at a ceremony for confirmation of children...and unlike most Bishops who do their thing and leave, he went to rectory meeting room and spent 2-3 hours with those children, and their parents, one by one. I admired that. He lives what he preaches and I respect that, disagreeing or not, and most of all his focus on children. He is distinctly not the ogre posed by many, but a true man of his faith...no matter how political he might seem. At that time he'd been told (by a spy :-) that I had very recently finally been baptized and he took the time to assure me I'd done the right thing, and why...even as a "child" of age 69 no less. I admire the man, not the rank, and that outlook has seldom if ever failed me.
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