All societies have a natural progression from birth to
death. Born in health and vigor they gradually decline into scleroses and entropy
until such time as they fail and are swept from the board. The surest sign that
such a society is doomed is the acceptance and promulgation of the deviant as
the norm. The tried and true values of human society that built successful societies
is chipped away bit by bit. The elite will of course call the tune and demand
that all dance to their music. Their boredom and existential ennui leads to
them to sensations and indulgence in deviant behavior that has long been abhorred
by conventional society. Soon enough they engage and celebrate sexual excess,
incest, bestiality and homosexuality as though this is perfectly normal
behavior. The most outré practices will soon not merit censure or even comment.
You risk all you own to disavow such behavior. That is how you end up with a
horse in the Senate.
We are well along the route of this descent into madness.
Deviance will be normalized and voices that caution that this has all happened
before will be shouted down. The sybarites and hedonist will rule and anything
that puts a brake on excess will be at best mocked and belittled or at worst
outlawed and criminalized. Those that refuse to accept deviance will be
marginalized and driven underground. The process is ongoing and if you do not
realize it you have not been paying attention.
You will not be able to opt out of the normalization of
deviance. You will be coerced by the state and your religious and moral values
will be dictated to you by the elite. You will not have a choice in the cakes
you bake or the photos you take or the religious values you hold. If you
express your disagreement you will lose your job and be harried from the public
square. Soon even the symbols of your faith will be outlawed. Much as in China
the government will dictate that the Cross will go the way of the Confederate
Flag. They will deem Christian symbols “hate speech” and restrict their
display. Churches, temples and synagogues will be forced to perform same sex
marriages or be sued and penalized and driven underground.
Those who tell you this will never happen are lying. Those
that tell you that the Courts will protect religious freedom are deluded. The
elites will enforce the normalization of deviant behavior with all of the power
at their disposal.
They are enjoying their victory dance in the endzone right
now. But soon enough they will put their shoulders to the goal posts to move
them once again. This is not the end of the matter. The drive to normalize
deviant behavior will progress into even more ridiculous extremes.
(I originally posted this as a comment at Lem's Levity but I feel it is too dangerous to express such sentiments in public. We must follow the example of Saint Benedict and divorce ourselves from society until such time as the fever breaks and the body politic can heal.....or die)
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Isaiah 5:20: Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
There has never been a shortage of people who are compelled by curiosity or rebellion to push the boundaries. Extend the boundaries as wide as you can conceive, and someone will rush over to violate them.
The State has no business defining or dictating what marriage is. It's a spiritual matter...a holy sacrament. Now that it has extended its power into matters of faith, expect churches to be required to align themselves with the government or lose their 501c tax exempt status.
It's coming.
Winter's coming.
I have come to the conclusion that is no purpose to be served by being identified as opposing deviance. It is just too dangerous to your business and even your physical well being.
I am confident that those who pursue deviance will be destroyed by their very actions. They court the seeds of their own destruction. They have no joy only excess. They are generally the most morose bitchy people you will ever come in contact with.
It is time to follow the example of Saint Benedict and turn inward from the corruption that is society.
This has all happened before. Many times in human society. We must let Nature run it's course. It will flush out that which is not natural. You need only be patient.
Yes, I don't think there is any purpose either. As a shop owner you have a big bullseye on your back.
I see no desire on the part of the American people to stop the Power elite from doing anything. As long as the stock market and housing prices continue to go up they're happy.
As usual, I hear nothing from the Religious leaders. No doubt the Southern Baptists are too busy trashing the Confederate flag and the Catholic hierarchy is too busy with Global Warming.
Posted on Facebook today by one of my friends:
Let me be blunt: I don't care who you want to have sex with, as long as that other person is a consenting adult. I don't care who you want to spend the rest of your life with, as that person also wants to be with you.
I believe in the liberty to do what you want. I believe in the liberty to do what I want. Simple, really. I don't go out of my way to impose my beliefs on others; I share my beliefs but I don't bludgeon others to think like me.
I feel that I am being bludgeoned by those who I don't agree with, forced to conform to their beliefs, and I don't like that. I choose to go to church, and believe in God, and there are "rules". If you don't agree with my faith, you don't have to follow the "rules"
Likewise, I don't choose to follow the rules you may live by, and I'm ok with not agreeing on everything. All I ask for is the ability to freely practice my beliefs, and when I feel the need, to express my beliefs. I will give you the ability to freely practice your beliefs, even when I don't agree. That's what used to make this country great: differences. We used to celebrate individuality.
Now, we're told that if we don't conform, we're "bigots", "racists", or whatever incendiary label fits. I'm not a bigot. I'm not a racist. I'm a man who loves his wife, and who wants the chance to do my thing. That's all.
Well how nice. Based on his comment made at 5:00 on the SSM thread at Lem's, Meade has apparently been researching my private life. He has found my real first and last name, apparently, my marriage, divorce, and re-marriage dates, and that I am father of two children.
What an asshole.
The Normalization of Deviance
Heh. I read and enjoy "Marilyn's Diary" and it makes me feel normal. What does that say about me?
Oh yes, Meade is sneaky that way, Haz. He was playing around with my first and last names today at Lem's. Just wait until he brings up my kids' names (whom he's met). He'll regret that one.
I've been thinking of laying to bare this whole Mary E. Glynn charade that he and Althouse play. Most of all, I'd like to cut and paste many of her comments before Meade rabbit holes them.
Here's the thing. Meade emailed me some things about Althouse and how he intended to pursue her while he was still married back in the day. I am sure I can dig them up. But what is the point? I am not going to sink to his level because he also wrote about other people that would be embarrassed by the revealtion of those emails.
He can't dig up anything about me because I was married in the Church and obtained the Sacrament of Marriage as deemed proper by Catholic doctrine. I have nothing to hide but nothing to defend.
It will be a shame if Lem lets him run roughshod over there doxxing people.
Of course he is going to imply a bunch of things and try to attack other people with personal details. He did this a year ago at this time. I think when that old bag finishes school they rub each others sores and egg each other on until there is the inevitable explosion. This happens in the summer or at holiday time when they have to spend a lot of time together.
That is why their unholy union will not last once the Hobbit retires.
And rcocean is right to a degree. But you can not cede all of the territory to him. We are not French after all. If you do not speak up you have been effectively silenced. Is that what we should do? Abandon Lem's place after all the time and effort we put in to prop it up?
And rcocean is right to a degree. But you can not cede all of the territory to him. We are not French after all. If you do not speak up you have been effectively silenced. Is that what we should do? Abandon Lem's place after all the time and effort we put in to prop it up?
Marilyn's Diary is humor. As is much of the smut I engage in here. I have my dirty habits. That is why Father Fox is not an invited guest. Don't worry. I say my confession for the stuff I spout here. I have a dirty sense of humor. I freely admit it. Does that make me a hypocrite? Maybe.
Nobody is all of one thing. We do the best we can.
But that doesn't mean that I have to accept the latest politically correct bullshit that the Supreme Court is peddling. No way.
I did notice how Meade was slyly putting out your real name Chickie. Not the first time he has done that. Won't be the last. Any personal information he might gleam will be part of his attack. Even Titus wouldn't have it.
Maybe I came on too strong with my comment. I'm just tired of people who deliberately disrupt things. His comments at Lem's are always negative, trollish & designed to get attention.
But that's just my opinion. If others feel the need to engage him - or Titus -or R&B - more power to them.
Here is another take on the SCOTUS decision, this time from Simcha Fischer, a New Hampshire Catholic mommy blogger (with somewhere between 9 and 11 kids; I lose count. She does a lot of upcountry white trash, cheaper-by-the-dozen, Catholic slices-of-life and humor):
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/simchafisher/2015/06/26/will-the-catholic-church-be-hurt-by-the-supreme-courts-ruling-on-gay-marriage/#disqus_thread
Haz alerted me. I had to delete some of his comments referencing Haz personal information.
He seemed to be baiting people to get into a back and forth with him, trying to match/make relevant peoples personal decisions with their opinion about SSM.
I have no desire to stoop to that. Specially over a subject that has been well plowed. (watch it)
Thanks for handling that rather well Troops. People just have to keep cool.
Now that it's legal we will get to know once and for all, whether they mean what they say, that it's just about love, and not imposing it on religious institutions.
I suspect once the euphoria over the novelty dies down gays and lesbians will go back to doing relationships the way they were comfortable doing them. In complete freedom, way more freedom than straights. Scalia referred to this, rather skillfully, but probably trying not to offend it was rather oblique. Watching the talking heads, I think it went over their heads.
Scalia dissenting... "Who ever thought that intimacy and spirituality [whatever that means] were freedoms? And if intimacy is, one would think Freedom of Intimacy is abridged rather than expanded by marriage. Ask the nearest hippie."
SSM is trading freedom for bondage. It should be obvious to them eventually, if not now. My opinion is that there was no real yearning for this. It was done on a whim.
"Meade has apparently been researching my private life. He has found my real first and last name, apparently, my marriage, divorce, and re-marriage dates, and that I am father of two children."
Sounds like mental illness.
Now of course he has erased all of his posts to hide the evidence. But he can not hide who he is,
Thanks Lem. I knew you would do the right thing.
For those who haven't seen it, this is a good piece in Time Magazine, of all places:
.http://time.com/3938050/orthodox-christians-must-now-learn-to-live-as-exiles-in-our-own-country/
I am doing my damnedest to pay no attention to the very predictable Meade blatherglump.
Something else of interest to those of us who are traditionalists of one stripe or another: Well-heeled libertarians may be excoriated by so-called progressives, but they both represent branches of Whiggery, and are none of your friends if you have a conservative bent.
http://freebeacon.com/blog/supreme-court-gay-marriage-david-koch/
Why, oh why, is anyone bothering to rehearse again over at Lem's the lines we've all learnt these many years before?
I called it "blatherglump" above.
Now, that's a pretty obvious word.
My new one is "flummelbapes."
That's from "flummox," "japes," and "bad."
As someone whose greatest sin is that of Pride, I like to think I've made a couple of comments, just above, with some actual ideas in them, even if they're not my own. Herewith, I present another piece decorated with a genuine thought. "Threat" or "promise" is up to you. I take "titillation" off the table, as I have no Seraglio fantasies myself.
WARNING: It's as long as if Ritmo wrote it, and in too close a style as well.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/gay-marriage-decision-polygamy-119469.html?ml=m_po#.VY8KNkZBE2w
TTBurnett said...
Why, oh why, is anyone bothering to rehearse again over at Lem's the lines we've all learnt these many years before? ... I called it "blatherglump" above.
Very good question. [ Translation: in the future I will be a smarter than to engage the schmuck] I rarely react to the TOP-Toad, but now and then my anger tempts me to call him what he is...a very small man, and figuratively a parasite. I will refrain in the future, if nothing else, to relieve Lem the chore of so many deletions...e.g., my noisy mouth is a problem for Lem, and he doesn't deserve it. In short, you are quite right, TTBurnett.
I admit his treatment of Paladin in simmer 2013 might have lead to a violent confrontation had we been face to face. As it was the "toad" was reimbursed his pittance and still didn't shut up...thus my increased anger. When Paladian contacted me directly & recently after a long hiatus, for reasons I need not illuminate here, it was to notify me of him fulfilling my last original commission and telling me what had been going on. He is preparing another one as we speak. Money was never an issue, not long ago and not now. He is trustworthy and deals with his own demons as best he can....I admire the fact he's not a quitter. As bagoh20 told me directly long ago, he's a smart young man and will eventually find his way. Nothing pleased me more that to tell bagoh20 directly that he was 100% right.
I know I've been assisted many times in my life and I feel it is a responsibility to pay it back or forward.
Thanks for listening and bagoh20 for the foresight.
Good to hear, Aridog. I hope you understand, however, my disinterest in any more episodes of This Old House. The roof fell in a while ago when they tried to fumigate the place, and the garden's a mess. I'm genuinely sorry Palladian was trying to spruce things up when the parterre wall collapsed on him. The landscaping, as everyone knows, is terrible.
Not having a fixer-upper myself, I've kind of lost interest, although we all owe something to Lem for a better neighborhood, and to Chip for cultivating an interesting garden.
More unusual thinking:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/evetushnet/2015/06/lava-in-the-western-world-justice-kennedy-and-pixar.html
TTBurnett ...oh, I do understand your position, and I will refrain from responding to the fame throwers and bomb tossers in the future. My anger over the Paladian issue still simmers in my head. It was purely personal, spurious, and wretched...unrelated to any house issue...just a vile series of jabs at a guy who was down temporarily. I've had multiple dealings with Evan and he's eminently trust worthy. Evan (Paladian) has asked me, courteously, to not bring up the topic again, so I won't. It reminds him too much of the darkest days. Evan has thanked me, and all the others who stepped up, for my support, both verbally and by continuing to commission his work.
Please understand that I/we here in my household are not "rich" but can find means to assist by forgoing some other things. As I think Chuck Stanley advocated: "First 'carry' your principle" which is my attitude as well. A sidearm is the very last resort, due top "principle."
I agree that Chip Ahoy's posts and comments are interesting, especially to me because they introduce me to things I know nothing about generally. When I stop "learning"...hell, what's the purpose of dialog if not to learn?
For the record I appreciate your additions to the conversation, for similar reasons...I learn things. I go to various blogs for no other reason... just seeking an argument is a waste of my time and that of others. Man I can just go do that on any street corner here and with similar results...or worse.
I have respectfully requested that Lem remove my name from the contributors list on his blog. I will no longer be posting topics at Lem's Levity. I may or may not continue commenting, time will tell.
Toxic people need to go. They're toxic.
Thank you, Aridog. I really appreciate that. And I've got to say I appreciate what you've for Evan. It's an odd community, our spinoffs from Meadehouse, but I've seen some very positive things develop as its members have moved on, some of whom I also keep in touch with in other places. And your help for Evan is another great example. Thank you again.
That's too bad, Michael, but I understand.
At the rate things are going, the only active poster left may be Chip Ahoy. He seems to be immune to drive-by Meade fummelbapes if for no other reason than the length and complexity of his posts.
He's proof against Meade, because Meade can't understand him.
And what's to attack about pretty flowers, great-looking pastries, and origami greeting cards? I've been tempted often to try some of Chip's arts and crafts, but I'm limited, not by stupidity I hope, but by my narrow background. I'm a rather good machinist and tolerable musician, but I have brown thumbs, burn things anywhere near a stove, and can barely fold sandpaper.
But I certainly appreciate what Chip does, and how his other points manage to get woven into the other, remarkably clever things he posts.
But is Chip enough to carry the place?
I think your voice will be missed, Michael, but the key to the whole thing going forward is to finally rid it of Meade. I honestly hope Lem has the cajones to do so.
I'm a rather good machinist and tolerable musician, but I have brown thumbs, burn things anywhere near a stove, and can barely fold sandpaper.
I suspect that Titus has brown thumbs as well, Tim. What is it about men who move to Boston? ;)
NOT that way!!!
I see that Meade posted a comment on Fr. Martin Fox's blog that Fr. Martin had to delete. It seems to be a repeating event. Larry is quite the piece of work.
Link.
Surprised that Ritmo wasn't over there giving Fr. Fox a hard time. His animus surpasses Meade's.
Althouse and Meade live on an income of about $200,000 a year and this is how the spend their time.
She spends her time painting on her blackface, proclaiming herself or her son or somebody the new nigger and setting off on a new crusade.
Meade cruises around the internet denouncing dozens if not hundreds of people a day as bigots of one sort or another.
They could be doing anything they want, and this is what they do.
Ideological relationships, such as theirs, have no real emotional content. The us against them drama is all they've got. It's pathetic.
Ritmo has the sense, I think, to know Fr. Fox will not put up with horseshit. Meade is actively trying to get himself banned everywhere to prove the intellectual dishonesty of those who exclude him. At least prove it in his own mind and to AA, which is the entire reason for everything he does. Some mighty sick stuff, this.
There actually are deep spiritual, philosophical, and moral points here. But you will never find them addressed in the comment section of Althouse's, or practically any other blog.
As far as I'm concerned, I have other things to attend to, and will thus leave the old Althouse world to boil in its own juices, now that rainbows are noticeably less common and annoying in my Facebook feed.
Yes, I left something of a corollary to S.T.'s comment. I REALLY have better things to do than involve myself with those sickos.
Yipes.
Chickelit - I thought the posts by 'anonymous' sounded like either AA or Ritmo, with a few stylistic changes to mask their identities. FMF never gets post by 'anonymous', at least until he deleted Meade's post. Color me suspicious.
Michael - I may be wrong, but I think both of those are so stupid/rigid that they could never manage the subtleties of turning themselves into "anonymous." But if it has to be either of them, "anonymous" if more likely Ritmo, at least from the basic structure of his arguments, undecorated as they are by Ritmo's polysyllabic tinsel.
Frankly, they look a lot more like John Althouse Cohen, a lot of whose updates I used to see on Facebook before I blocked him. I think defense of SSM, at least in the Althouseosphere, including perhaps Fr. Fox's blog, is a family enterprise. "The family that trolls together...." Well, you fill in the blanks.
Trooper York said...
I did notice how Meade was slyly putting out your real name Chickie. Not the first time he has done that. Won't be the last. Any personal information he might gleam will be part of his attack. Even Titus wouldn't have it.
I know he did it to me by giving up my info to the Nutty Nurse as a proxy against me. I emailed his wife on a couple of Althouse items back in the day using my gmail account which had my real name. There is no way the Nutty Nurse got that info without either the dog-walker or the Harpy giving it her. Those two have earned my eternal emnity.
rcocean said...
"Meade has apparently been researching my private life. He has found my real first and last name, apparently, my marriage, divorce, and re-marriage dates, and that I am father of two children."
Sounds like mental illness.
What is the lament? Lawrence v. Texas started the slippery slope.
Even though I've had a lifetime of dealing with personality disorder in a loved one, the amount of cunning and defiance present in those two still astounds me whenever it's revealed. Seeing it brings up a load of grief for me.
The long awaited link from the Althouse blog to Lem's (which to my knowledge has not happened before yesterday's post), intended to shame and prove others to be "losers", backfired, with several commenters making note of the juvenile nature of the Meade's performance there. I particularly dislike seeing him twist and manipulate the message of Jesus as part of a game to score points and promote his personal agenda.
The creative light in my personality disordered loved one has diminished over the years to the point where there's now mostly meanness, lies, defiance and self protection left, reminding me of a smoldering coal with little other than smoke being released. Being present to it is like living through hell on earth.
While Althouse and Meade still have plenty of power and energy available for them to utilize, the smoke that swirls around them whenever conflict occurs blocks out whatever light they have to offer and leaves a lingering odor behind that can't be dispelled or masked.
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Look away, MamaM.
Look away.
May God grant you strength, wisdom, and courage,
For your sake and for your loved one.
Look away.
It looks like Lawnboy is trying to do some grooming in that thread. I think there are cracks forming in his rice bowl and he is looking for another place to land.
I have seen this before. It is not going to be pretty.
Well, TT, you not only made me laugh, which is no small thing, your words and sincerity also refreshed my heart. Thank you.
Although I castigate Trooper for walking into the hook and taking the bait, I spent a beautiful summer afternoon engaging online with a weasel who doesn't appear to value integrity or honest communication. And where's the wisdom in that? Maybe it's a matter of finding my voice along with the right medium for expressing it.
I recently began oil painting again, after 40 years of letting my paintbox and brushes sit untouched in the closet. It felt good to do so, as if time stood still. I hope to do more, as it provides a retreat for my soul and another place to "look away"! I've also saved my dad's pastels, which I've not yet tried using, and it may be time to open that box as well. Perhaps painting can be my own version of the Benedict Option.
Basic order is underlying all life...To study art is to study order, relative values, to get at the fundamental constructive principle. It is the great study of the inside, not the outside of nature.
...trying to do some grooming in that thread...I have seen this before. It is not going to be pretty.
Ayup. With positioning and back peddling also present. The coy flirtatious stuff, however innocuous and mild it may appear to some, makes my red flags flap. I don't see it coming from a warm friendly place, so much as a desire to own and control the narrative, which is part of a larger ongoing pattern, previously revealed. In other words, part of what landed the second fish.
How fun is it that Mr "All Meade sock puppets have holes in 'em. Darn it." from the first MamaM is Like a Mama Chicken When She is Aroused post here five years ago (containing the comment that started the year and a half kerfuffle involving his name, in which he also played a part) finds it necessary to pedal the question of whether I've been around long enough to know the full and complete history of Lem's Levity and his wife's crazy meltdown. He's such a card. Close to adorbs if the one known as deborah (who also shows up in the "holes" discussion) was still around to make the pronouncement and stick up for his sorry ass. What a weird, strange, convoluted story.
Perhaps now is a good time for Lem to start a "We're friends of Lem" fund where memberships can be purchased and posted next to his Blog Roll.
Yeah. Nothing new under the sun with that bird. Eyes open.
MamaM, I still feel some shame about that whole episode here. Again, very sorry about that.
Michael, I would hate to see you go.
Evi, thank you. I am no longer on the list of contributors, and have told Lem that I will return when he bans Meade and Ritmo from his blog. Not complicated.
After years of dealing with conflicts in the workplace and among family, I am at last at a time in my life when all is good and happiness is abundant. There is no reason to allow others to use their disorders to change that.
Amen, Michael, Amen.
At his point, I am very sorry to say one of the main attractions of Lem's blog is to see just how creepy Meade can be and how Ritmo has made progress in his mastery of printers' Greek.
As you know, Ritmo's writing remains a puzzle. But at least you can measure it.
In something good, even though it may be buttered all over the page, you find words of different lengths. English, with its huge vocabulary and strong, short words, lends itself to this. In Ritmo's case, words are seldom shorter than 5/8 in. (or 15.8mm if you must), and an area less than 35 sq. in. (226 sq. cm.) is unusual.
But I've got to give him credit for at least not starting his comments with "Lorem ipsum," thus spoiling the fun of finding where the typography sample really begins.
I forgot about that MamaM. What a long strange trip it has been.
One more comment: Michael Haz...do NOT go.
I sent similar messages to Turley about his blog, and his flame throwers, and somehow its cleaned up a bit. So I returned and told Turley why. I'd hope Lem gets the message as well. Even Howington at FFS seems to have sent out some messages to his miscreants when they crossed the line a few times too often...this time due to me I suspect, or any other "RIL Trash" which he apparently took offense to in general. If even he can do it, Lem can do so easily.
Your remarks are worthwhile and always on point. Don't leave...but take a break, as we all need to do from time to time. I enjoy our off-line exchanges as well, so please don't end them too.
Aridog - the offline channel remains wide open.
Off topic, but: Darwin Award Question...WHY is anyone swimming in the North Carolina surf? Or letting their kids do so? Swimming near fishing piers on the coast has always been foolish...and yet there they are? Go figure. Bait = Fish = Food = Sharks.
Aridog, the number of people killed by sharks in NC is fairly small. I'm sure 1000 times more people get killed driving to the beach then by sharks. Which is why I take the bus.
rcocean statistic can confuse. I swam on the Atlantic shore surf in Deleware as a kid, in very warm waters, and when any sharks, even just one was seen by the guys in the towers, we all got out of the water (as ordered by the life guards) until that shark was dispatched. Losses may be small, but tell that to the two kids who lost all or most of their arm. That and swimming by fishing piers raises the odds against you, statistics be danged, and along the NC coast there are plenty of them....I've been there on emergency response often enough to see that...and the turbidity of some of the surf. You are then swimming where fishermen are providing bait and chum....idiocy.
You are then swimming where fishermen are providing bait and chum....idiocy.
On topic, Aridog, as the host of TY and charter member of the "We're Friends of Lem" Club makes a move that is yet to be determined as bold or foolish. At this point, it's hard to know *whose* wading into the water and *whose* circling, but there's bound to be some loose teeth washing ashore.
Fresh blood always livens up a blog.
MamaM ... I think Lem will tell you himself that I've been supportive both on line and financially, within my means. Ask him, please. I will join any movement to encourage Lem to continue, and only ask that he delete when he sees it, idiots like the TOP-Toad...but that is up to him. I am not into controlling anything on his site. I like it too much.
Any time the TOP-Toad shows up it is to wreck things, a thread or a whole site. I've recently (yesterday for the firs time in eons) looked over a few threads at TOP and I noticed that the Toad is prominently absent almost all of the time. Perhaps his meal ticket is also tired of him?
Yes, I am always in favor of honest fresh blood on a blog, but not much in favor of petulant torpedoes with nothing to add.
Or maybe I misunderstand your comment?
Aridog - I think it's reasonable to believe that we see the real thing, and that his comments on his wife's blog are tempered. He has been hounded off of most of the news media blogs in Madison because of his jackass behavior, and a some blogs in other places on the internet as well.
Note that when they were first married, she put up occasional topics about the two of them enjoying dinner with other people. That didn't last long. I doubt that they have any friends at all in Madison.
Aridog, that comment wasn't aimed at you. I found your words fitting the situation forming up at Lem's, and used your shark talk to springboard into a comment about Trooper showing up there as a poster.
Your heart isn't hard to miss. I've known you to be a Gold Star member of the "We're Friends of Lem" Club since its inception. I've no need to ask for any further verification. Your integrity shines through in the stories you tell and the actions you take.
MamaM ... Thank you. I did misunderstand.
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