It is a strange thing when a star of popular TV show leaves because he is tired of being a part of it or doesn't like the direction of the show. The most famous recent example is David Caruso who famously left NYPD Blue and caused quite a ruckus. You see he was in almost every scene and was the focus of the show in the first season. So everybody thought the show would flop without him but it toddled along just fine with other guys in his role. They made the change and lived to tell the tale.
You know there is another better example. Charlie Sheen left Two and a Half Men. Now he was basically the whole show as it was all built around his character. They replaced him with Ashton Kutcher and it is a different show but the ratings seem to be very good so they don't seem to care. Nor those the public.
We have already talked about Pernell Roberts who left Bonanza in the late sixties. He was the example most cited about how stupid it was to leave a hit. He thought he was going to have this big career when in fact he was struggling until twenty years later when he got a gig in Trapper John MD. He did spend a lot of time bad mouthing Bonanza which was the principal reason nobody wanted to hire him. Who the hell wants an ingrate to work for them just to wait for them to stab you in the back.
Caruso did the same thing. It was only after he swallowed his pride and made peace did he catch a gig with CSI Miami. He humbled himself and got to star in a show where he made a lot of dough for just taking off his sunglasses. I mean he ain't acting.
I think if you are going to quit a popular show you should just go on your merry way and not bad mouth them. They are in your past. Don't tell everybody how Dan Blocker tried to get you to shower with him or how Kim Delaney would get drunk and pull a train for the crew but not for you. You need to let it go. Let your talent shine on your new show and not worry about what is going on at the old place. It shouldn't bother you. And if they are talking about you, well that just goes to show that your performance means a lot more to their show then their show means to your performance. An actor can always find a stage if he is good enough.
Or he can just rent out a barn and put on a show.
Just don't be David Caruso.
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I was always sad when I never got a shot at the local/class/work easy chick. In retrospect I am glad, as some things are not curable. Some blogs are nothing to clap about.
I know what you mean. Some blogs just give you the crabs.
But I think the other one gives you J...I mean herpes. Just sayn'
But but but...they won't let me practice my art! They're stifling my creativity!! And and...that fucking yid in accounting has ME owing THEM at the end of the season!!!
New York has the best productions, what better place to be a star?
New York has the best productions, what better place to be a star?
New York's alright if you like saxaphones
*feel the byrony :)
Life is byronic sometimes.
*feel the byrony :)
How can I feel when I don't know what byrony is? Lord Byron? Irony? Byro?...(a J word).
@ricpic: I don't know what J meant by "byro" either. I just felt like I was kinda mean when I put that last link up and felt like I was channneling J. That's what I meant by "byrony."
I think brony is trying to express an ironic thought in an overwrought "Bryonic" way.
Sort of sums up J no?
I tried unsuccessfully to determine what "byro" was--all I got was references to Lord Byron.
David Caruso and for that matter Bruce Willis--I never understood why these guys ever became stars--Bruce walked around with bleeding feet--but I think he did get to do Demi Moore--like Ashton whats his name did--now thats not a bad fringe benefit.
I could get over my loathing of J if I could just laugh at him.
Maybe he'll start cranking up the comity.
I've always wanted to be a boy toy but at my age I am at best the lincoln logs of the toy set
Now if only I could convince allie
J is there for a purpose. He achieved it since many of us left there because of him and the way they approached the problem. Or more the attitude they struck which continues to this day. He doesn't come back here now because I don't stand for his nonsense. That would have worked over there. But they obviously like what he does. At least a lot more then they like ndspinelli busting on them.
It's funny really.
Trooper: IMO (not humble, mind you) J generates hits and thats what blogs are about--damn--did that sound cynical? Even Professor Volokh said that when his blog was nominated by the ABA--
at least Eugene was honest.
There is a real Byro Bellami. I found him on Facebook.
There is a real Byro Bellami. I found him on Facebook.
I don't know him from Adam. What did Byro Bellami have to do with us?
I never use facebook. I only pull down photos. But I don't have time for the back and forth stuff.
Byron Bellami
On the internet no one knows you are a Byro. Or a Bellami, for that matter.
J has used the name Byro Bellamy, has he not? Or am I hallucinating?
I tried unsuccessfully to determine what "byro" was--all I got was references to Lord Byron.
That was my only thought as well, but someone over there said it was some sort of gaming reference, I think?
I like to argue with people on a friendly level, but I don't like drama. I also don't like the schoolmarmish hectoring about being interesting and living up to expectations. It's always been there a bit but it's sort of tipping a bit too far in one direction right now.
I'll try to find where J has mentioned a Byro Bellamy/Bellami in one of his rantings, that's when I looked up this guy. Who knows this poor guy is probably just some innocent bystander.
Exactly, Shanna.
"Entertain me."
Uh, no. Which works out for all parties. lol
J mentions Bellami at 9:21AM
Well someone told me it seems like Meade is deleting the new offending posts and reprinting them in the "bitch" post area. That looks like a lot of effort when you could just moderate as you go and delete it with a warning not to continue.
I confess I don't understand the clutter thing. I love clutter. The more the merrier.
That's why I have seven funkin' Santa Clauses. Just sayn'
I don't want anyone to feel that they are posting too many comments on any one thread. Have at it and knock yourself out.
More is better.
Move on people.
Life is too short.
I agree with you Titus.
And thank you for all of your contributions here. It wouldn't be the same with out your loaves and rare clumbers. Just sayn'
Rare Clumbers all around barkeep! What exactly is a Rare Clumber some sort of forest creature?
I think Titus is on target--enjoy this blog--a lot more fun--when people lose a sense of humor, and "flirting" banter, live is shallow.
Rare clumbers are what you get on your back when you take steroids, also known as backne. Next up, roid rage over the incredible shrinking junk.
Allie--I am sure Titus will weigh in on this, but he is referring to Clumber Spaniels--He had two but lost one (sorry for your loss Titus)
They are larger, blockier spaniels but great dogs, and as Titus refers, relatively rare.
Ohhhh, they're dogs! Do the howl much?
Allie--only my lady friends howl
I didn't know Titus lost one of his dogs!
Aww. :(
I confess I don't understand the clutter thing.
Yeah, I don't really get the whole 'i'm deleting this stuff because of flirting' and then saying there is no policy against flirting. And then posting the ever changing 'comment policy' as proof. Huh? Lighten up a bit.
Exactly, Shanna.
"Entertain me."
Yeah, that. I'm glad it's not just me.
Wonderful to have Shanna, Allie, and Darcy on the blog--I mean who wants to flirt with ND? just saying
Very true Shanna.
I think they have a problem with nd. He is a like a dog with a bone. He won't let go.
Now me. I am like a dog with a boner. I just like to hump your leg. Just sayn'
When you are my age, flirting is the only thing I can do
ND has a hairy but, so he says himself, no flirting with Spinelli, Roger.
Butt, my iPad again, damn that bitch.
Over on that thread Allie pointed to, buried right at the bottom is some guy's attempt at advertising for something called "Colon Clenz".
That's made my day - what with thoughts of a remake of Hogan's Heroes, or maybe Titus - to take it another way, as one could.
ps and btw Trooper: thanks for bringing a smile most every day to this crazy world.
Hey, you know what is entertaining? What I had for breakfast. I'm serious. I had two handfuls of pistachio nuts.
I tried to take an artful picture of them, but look, they were just 'stachios, you know?
I think they have a problem with nd. He is a like a dog with a bone. He won't let go.
Just don't get too obsessed. Titus has a point. You don't want to wind up sounding like Loafing Oaf opining on Sarah Palin, and draw the ire of Palladian.
Oh, poor Loafing Oaf! Yeah.
I had two handfuls of pistachio nuts
I love pistachios!!! I am currently eating a box of raisins supplied by my coworker.
Oops! I just left essentially the same comment in two different threads!
Talk about the clutter factor!
Darcy, pistachios are green, a lot of green things are yummy and entertaining.
You are on double secret cheese probation now, chickelit. No cheese for you! :)
Yeah, I think I'd be...miffed if I missed the Delaney train. (Kim or Dana.)
somewhy said:
ps and btw Trooper: thanks for bringing a smile most every day to this crazy world.
somewhy's words reminded me of my own eulogy:
He was an original; not just an American original, but an original, period. He was a happy accident; one of the happiest this corner of the blogosphere has experienced; and judging by the way it's been behaving in spite of all Trooper tried to tell it about laughter, love, children, good food, God, and spirits, they hardly deserved him.
He probably did more to heal or at least to soothe troubled human spirits than all the psychiartrists in the world. There can't be many adults in the allegedly civilized parts of the blogosphere who did not inhabit Trooper's mind and imagination at least for a few hours and feel better for the visitation.
It may be true, as somebody said, that while there is no highbrow in a lowbrow, there is some lowbrow in every highbrow.
But what Trooper York seemed to know was that while there is very little grown-up in a child, there is a lot of child in every grown-up. To a child this weary world is brand new, gift wrapped; Trooper York tried to keep it that way for us adults...
By the conventional wisdom, gratuitous bathtubs, celebrity cameltoes, Laura Bush’s diary, Tales From Amy’s Garden - all these were fantasy, escapism from reality. It's a question of whether they are any less real, any more fantastic than out-of-control deficits, global warming, denuded rainforests, ubiquitous porn, and falling satellites. This is the age of fantasy, however you look at it, but Trooper's fantasy wasn't lethal. People are already saying we'll never see his like again.
From deep in the thread when Trooper faked his own disappearance: link
What happened to Loafing Oaf?
What happened to Loafing Oaf?
I heard that he bled out. :)
When you are my age, flirting is the only thing I can do
I think it was George Burns who said, "Sex at 90 is like trying to shoot pool with a rope."
Not only a hairy butt from misunderstanding the Rogaine use. But, some of the Rogaine got on my scrotum. In honor of that, my alias, Harry Balls has gleefully signed the Recall Walker petition.
Spinelli!
Reading this stuff about all these trolls, and I don't know who any of them are :(
They don't seem to register for me, I guess that's the benefit of being self-absorbed.
Acting is a pretty decent gig if you get a high paying roll (be it theater, television, or film). And the fact is there are probably at least hundreds of out of work actors out there who could replace you and do pretty much as good a job as you could.
So you should count your blessings and do the best job you can. If you leave a show because you have a legitimate better opportunity (jumping from TV to Movies, etc.) good for you. But to burn your bridges? That is just stupid. It is stupid in any career.
Of course if you are jumping ship from being an unpaid and unappreciated quality commentator on some upper midwest blog to running your own uninque and quality blog...well that is a different matter altogether! Blow all the bridges you need to blow!
Darcy: I tried to take an artful picture of them, but look, they were just 'stachios, you know?
Put them in a big bowl and then take a close-up shot.
Or arrange them in some sort of pattern (not a swastika).
ndspinelli, so what did happen over at Althouse? It looks like Meade and Ann did not ban you yet but are just selectively deleting your posts. Or did they go full Charles Johnson (aka "full retard") on you?
Didn't David Janssen have a TV show where he played a private detective called "Hairy Balls."
I think Farah Fawcett played his girlfriend and he lived in a beach house.
Are you holding out on us ND?
I had a few commenters email and say they won't comment here anymore because we were to nasty to the EBL. I am sorry that they feel that way but you got to do what you got to do.
You should comment here if you want to and comment there if you want to or go to both places with no fear or favor.
Just know that I won't censor your comments unless you are J.
I do expect Pastafarian here very shortly. Hee, hee.
Read the post to Pastafarian on the "bitch" post where she smacks him around. Someone sent it to me and it puts it all in a nutshell.
Just not a pistachio nutshell. Just sayn'
I have not been nasty to Ann or Meade. I personally think it is crazy and wrong to expect Meade not to defend Ann. Right or wrong, it is always wrong for a husband to side against his wife (at least if he wants to stay married to her).
Ann did not delete my comments. If she did I would be annoyed. I would either leave or not (probably leave). But I left because I chose not to be around J. I admit I find Trooper and ndspinelli's comments funny, but they have hardly been that nasty (I mean seriously "EBL" is that horrible?).
Ann's responses have been predictable and sort of entertaining. She needs to be tweeked occasionally.
Ann should be a little more gracious to her long time commentators. And if she is in delete mode, it is weird to delete someone like Trooper and engage in "benign neglect" over a troll like J.
I also respect it is her blog and she can run it like she wishes. And commentators can respond accordingly.
I have not been nasty to Ann or Meade. I personally think it is crazy and wrong to expect Meade not to defend Ann
As do I. I also think it is pretty wrong to go to someone's blog and say nasty things about them. Disagree on a point, sure. But personal stuff? I don't like that.
(I mean seriously "EBL" is that horrible?).
Fred, I remember when EBL was coined--but by whom, I don't recall (I wasn't me). But I think it was meant affectionately (perhaps irreverantly) and could still be construed that way. EBL could even be seen as honorific--how many famous people get three letter monikers? Only beloved Presidents (and she voted for GWB IIRC).
Shanna the problem was that J was following people like me, chickenlittle and Dust Bunny Queen and left the nasty and anti-semitic comments that he spews on the EBL's place with impunity. When I stopped going to her blog he stopped coming here. Plus the fact that I am deleting him nonstop and saying why I am doing it.
Someone emailed me the exchange she had with Pastafarian in the "bitch" thread. Why don't youse guys read it and let me know what you think.
I guess I have become the go-to guy for people who are angry with the EBL and her trusty sidekick.
I agree with you totally Fred. Meade should defend his wife at all costs and against all comers.
That's what I do with my wife.
Even when she is wrong.
I get it. And I respect him for it.
I coined the term and I must admit I am amazed at how it has caught on. There has to be an element of truth to it. It has to be somewhat accurate or something. Sort of like "Slick Willie" or "Tricky Dick" or "No Neck Williams." It just seems to fit.
That is why everyone uses it once they know what it means. Just sayn'
...it is weird to delete someone like Trooper and engage in "benign neglect" over a troll like J.
Her silence/neglect begins to look like approval--perhaps it's not. Who knows?
Trooper, I don't agree with her policy and I have already mentioned that I am finding her tone irritating. J's posts should be deleted and I don't understand why you would leave that crap all over the place and then act all high and mighty because Pasta should have added a link. Those posts are in every thread! So believe me, I get it. I have no problem at all with that sort of disagreement, I just don't personally like the more personal comments like Meade being an errand boy and so on and so forth.
The drunk picture you posted the other day, however, was hilarious.
It is definitely approval. Not of what he is saying but of the traffic and the comments it brings. Much as she did with luckyoldson and Jeremy who was a milder form of J. J is just so outlandish that reading one of his posts should have been enough to put him on a list but it did not. I bet he is still there spewing.
Shanna I agree that we shouldn't tease Meade in that way. It is hurtful. But if you are going to have an open forum and you have to let people say what they want to say then you get some of that.
So if you want to say I am a lazy fat fuck who is pussy whipped and has to do whatever his wife tells him to do and escapes to the Internet to be a tough guy.....well go right ahead.
(Because it is true)
That doesn't make me an errand boy.
That makes me a happily married man. Just sayn'
Now bring on a tit posting.
I love "stop staring at my tits".
It really says it all.
OK, I wasn't going to participate here or point out what I'm going to point out, Trooper, but since you wrote this:
...anti-semitic comments...
what's up with not objecting to the gratutous use of "yid" in a comment in this very thread? (And note I said nothing about deleting.) When I first came into this thread with the idea of commenting, I read the comments already posted and got to that one and thought, "Uh, no."
Im on her boring list, looks like when she gets pissed off she labels it "boring", yep looks like Pasta is "boring" her now.
It's all so stupid, right-o.
Well you see ricpic is Jewish himself. Very Jewish. As Jewish as Jill Zarin diddling herself with a dradel.
Since we all know that we get that he is under the NWA exception that you can use nasty ethnic slurs about you're own people.
That's why I have a series called "Whose that Guinea."
You have to keep up here rcommal because it is like rooting for the Yankees. We don't put the players names on their uniforms. You just have to have their numbers so to speak.
I get it that about half of what we are talking about goes flying by and people don't get it. That's fine with me because jokes should be like onions. With lots of layers. And when you peel them you should cry.
"EBL" got Trooper deleted?
LOL
Guess she is!
People wrote you and said they wouldn't comment here?
Huh. Probably a bunch of people who nodded their heads to that blog's public shaming of individuals for being too boring to be tolerated in the comments. That wasn't mean, see? That was for the greater good!
I don't understand people. I really don't. "Yeah, that was mean. But this is MEANER!" Uh, no. It doesn't work that way. When you are mean to people you either apologize, feel remorse, etc. or you take your lumps. You don't get to be "less wrong". Some people don't ever grasp that.
And, by the way, I'm not saying that what's said over here about this is kind, either. Of course it is not. I have been tempted to delete my comment to caplight because I feel it was mean of me, but holy crap, my blood boiled when I read his self-righteous bullshit.
And that will be my last comment on that whole thing.
Shall we sing Kum Ba Ya? ;-)
I thought we picked on everyone here, not just the EBL.
Oh, and the Mets suck. Almost as much as the Red Sox.
Darcy, I'm so glad you left your comment to Caplight up, I did delete mine. I'm so glad you three who did answer him didn't delete. You said it so much better than I did.
As someone represented frequently on this blog as Jack Elam, it seems to me you have the option of not taking yourself so damn seriously and dishing it back in the spirit it's meant, or getting all butthurt and taking your business elsewhere.
Is "butthurt" one of the most evocative words ever? Ouch. LOL
DUDE.......Jack Elam is a right fine lookin' fella!
I paticularly admire Meade when he tries to smooth it ove when his wife gets pissed and acts bitchy and he has to smooth over the problem so no feelings get hurt.
Been there, done that.
In fact I did it today when the maid quit.
Does anybody know an illegal immigrant who needs a job cleaning a house?
Sure, but the question was always what was he lookin' at?
Troop,
I know! He's too fine! How am I supposed to live up to those sorts of expectaions?
Don't give me that crap. Blake is a hottie.
So is Jason.
"Butthurt" could use a little analysis.
Is blake now pissed at Troop? My byrony detector is broken.
You guys just can't play those word games with me!!! I'm too sensitive!
Analysis? It means your butt hurts. lol
Aw, thanks, Ms. Darcy.
Just a couple of weeks till my Tug license comes in...
Good luck, rcommal. You'll need it!
A book I read a while ago has an interesting question:
What happens to all the insults?
The author meant all the insults that are a big part of digitally-encoded internet social life.
What happens to them? They may be stored indefinitely, but unlike, say, a funny story, or an intense memoir, or a pretty poem, what will insults mean to future people who may be able to read them? What will they say about our time and the internet.
I suspect the short answer will be, "Bunch of dumb fucks in a Dark Age."
Someone has a good memory. :)
Hi Tim!
Just a couple of weeks till my Tug license comes in...
That joke is 3 years old. I can link to it too.
I'm getting seriously weirded out here!
That excludes, of course, the kind of insults practiced here.
We may live in a Dark Age, but at least we're not completely dumb fucks.
But, OTOH, I'm not sure about....
TTB, I wonder what those futuristic readers will think of our feeble and silly flirting comments, will they think our mating rituals were bizarre and primitive?
;)
Why are you weirded, chickenlittle?
Hi Darcy!
I hate to say it, but my memory is going. I think I'm getting Irish Alzheimer's.
That's where you forget everything but the grudges.
Or everything but the growlers, Tim! ;-)
Ah, but Allie, flirting's timeless!
I think Zork on Planet Deneb in the 83rd Century will be just as in love with Darcy and you as the rest of us are ;-)
Well, is it the growlers that'll be helping you to forget, or to remember?
Good question! But then, would I care at that point? ;-)
@Darcy I guess it was just a plus ça moment.
I'm planning to teach some Elizabethan part-songs next semester to my students at the choir school, and it's amazing how well 400-year-old flirty songs hold up, so to speak.
But who knows if future beings will appreciate us messy carbon-based life forms. If the Singularity takes hold, we'll all just merge with the internet and become silicon bots.
Oops, looks like we're not going to that movie.
LOL, no I thought better of it, I need to preserve my reputation.
I will also say, as someone who reads a lot of 17th and 18th century ephemera, the love songs and flirty bits hold up a lot better than the insults.
This whole EBL contretemps seems a lot like any number of 18th century pamphlet wars I've read. Somehow, no one ever managed to win them.
OTOH, so many of, say, Addison's pieces on "the Fair Sex" still charm all these centuries on.
Oops! I see I posted something in the wrong place, which I just noticed when I thought about posting another comment in that thread. When I can kick my kid off my laptop, and thus won't be "dialing it in" (via cell) I'll delete it here and post in that one. Meanwhile, thanks, Allie!And sorry for the non sequitur, everyone.
Love ephemera, music & etc., from centuries past. Born & raised to it & never fell out if love with it.
pamphlet wars
That's cute. Life's too short for that kind of drama.
That's either a non sequitur or something kind of meta.
In either case, it's probably welcome, as I hope I haven't creeped out Darcy or Allie, and a change of subject would be helpful.
And I have not gone on Ann's site and said anything negative. I noted that Trooper was missing, asked why and got no response, went and looked for him and never went back and posted again at Althouse's place. No attack, no comment, nothing.
I occasionally go back to see what is happening. But no comments.
And EBL is funny. A brilliant tag by Trooper. It need not be mean, but it is definitely funny.
TTB, takes a lot more than that to creep me out, remember I lasted for a few months over at EBLs.
You know who DOES creep me out? MamaM.
Pasta, You are a sincere, down to earth and candid dude; and you got shit on. I don't know if you get any comfort from this but you are standing in a long line of people given dismissive comments by the Thin Skin Queen. I guess you have to expect to get shit on since the Queen dubbed that thread the "restroom."
Things have gotten even wierder over there. I'm not going to bore you good folks w/ the blow by blow, but things are apparently worked out[as it were] and it didn't require an email. Trooper, you gave good advice about avoiding the email trap, and good head so I hear from Titus. NTTAWWT!!
Trooper, You're an accountant[numbers guy] and you're kicking ass in the comments category. I know that's not the priority for you, and I truly respect that. But it should @ least be noted. Because it is well earned and deserved!
rcommal: BTW, Isaac Disraeli's "Curiosities of Literature" (Benjamin's father; Jane Austin era) is wonderful stuff for somewhat solid ephemera. It's available free on Google Books, for Kindle on Amazon, etc. Three volumes. Get all three.
And why should anything change, CL?
Darcy is certainly no less appealing. She's consistently one of the nicest, kindest and most perceptive people around, to say nothing of her beauty. (Though her beauty is worth commenting on as her taste in avatars is mercurial, much to the delight of her followers.) She's also as smart as a whip, though she expresses it in subtle ways that most people miss, I think.
I'm with Tim, here. If you want boring, just read some debates from a few hundred years ago—or even just a few years ago, for that matter, where history shows that both debaters were probably wrong, but most definitely assholes. (Speaking as someone who has engaged in plenty myself, here.)
I was looking at my blog trying to find the post where I lavished praise on the women I had met through Althouse, and I couldn't find it in the allotted time, but I remember it distinctly. Just like I had remembered a post on Santa where Ruth Anne had given me props.
But I've actually written a lot of screeds there, too. I think it's pretty good writing. Says where I stand (or at least stood) on things. They just don't stand out in my own mind. In my "research" I came across an interesting post on music and another on the nature of God, fercryingoutloud, from about three years ago.
I remember Darcy's (incredibly lucky) tugboat captain a lot more. I feel like I've spent nights with Tim fashioning flutes, and tossing back brews with Troop. (I don't carve OR drink.)
I guess that's why the sockpuppets irritate me. They're trying to steal real (and necessarily limited) human interaction from its legitimate targets.
That was beautiful, Blake.
I'm thankful for the rich personalities I've come to know and friendships I've gained through the internet, and most especially the Althouse blog.
And Trooper's place.
Aww! Group hug!
(And by "group", I mean Darcy and me. Get away you clods!)
I think a lot of the fun comes about because of the tone that is set in your blog. It can be great for a while and the conversation will flourish. Or it can darken and things can get cold and nasty.
I hope to keep it happy here if I can.
I agree, Troop. You're a happy guy and a happy host.
Thank you.
Thank you very much Darcy. You add so much to the conversation and I am always glad when you pop in to get the boys all excited. Now I have you and Allie to keep them all riled up it should be fun.
Nuthin' duller than a sausage fest, Troop.
I searched for EBL on Urban Dictionary. I gave me this:
Windbag FTW!
"Pardon me, I am about to have an EBL and ruin my tuxedo pants."
That line cracked me up. Stone cold shit right there!
No wuckin' funder people thought you were being mean to EBL--they were googling false positives.
I know that blake got there first in the flirting department with darcy--just like Ron was with Victoria.
*sniff*
Speaking of Ron, has anyone heard from him? I haven't been over to Twitter for a while.
And what about Haz?
Awww. Chickelit. I adore you, you know?
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