It seems that full scale comment moderation massacre is in full effect! Some things must be hidden from view. It is pretty funny. The people who used to pride themselves on free speech and a vibrant comment section are acting like insane Korean dictators.
It's pitiful really. And not sexy pitiful like Sophia Lorens pits just pitiful like how the mighty have fallen.
I don't want to panda to you but knock yourself out.
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But there is still time to order items through my evil twin's Amazon portal!
Comment moderation makes for a Sad Panda...
One good thing about Twitter is that it's user edited.
Wow! I put up a slightly improved version of my two Hitchens Purgatory dream comments over on the EBL thread about Hitchens and religion. Basically same ones I put up here under the latest Hell Needs a New P.A. Announcer thread.
They were deleted.
I thought they were relevant to the topic, if somewhat long, and at least somewhat amusing, if you have a taste for discursive comments.
That was put up in perfectly good faith, in very much the same way as anything another ghost I recall used to do.
Amazing. Just amazing.
I've been very moderate in my criticisms of the EBL. I have not had anything to say about the whole recent deletion brouhaha, for example, but apparently I have become persona non grata from my annoying of the EBL in our occasional encounters en masque around here.
Okaay....I think I have, in my progress from "beloved commenter" to "deleted," seen quite enough bad faith, thank you.
Well, it is a different Althouse. I think I know why. Sir Archy (who, BTW, really does, in his own way, exist) had some astonishing intelligence about it all. It is pretty incredible stuff, and I haven't breathed a word of it to anyone because of its sensitive nature.
I think I can convince him to put what he has found out in some reasonable order and publish it, perhaps here, in the near future. Unfortunately, I, myself, am too busy to assist the old spectre until near Christmas, and that would be too wrong a season to monger scandal. So, I'm afraid it will all have to wait until near the New Year.
But, rest assured, scandal it will be.
Tim, It's the Cultural Revolution over there, no criticism of ANY KIND is tolerated.
Tim, don't be intimidated, spit it out man. I predicted a week or so ago there was something going on more than just the usual control shit. You make it sound like there definitely is.
Well, I wasn't criticizing at all. I put up the same longish, discursive, and, to me at least, amusing comments I did here. Completely relevant to Hitchens, religion, the afterlife, etc. I had also told the relevant people at my school about my dream at a party last night, and everyone seemed highly amused. So, some argument that I was referring to a non-involved third party is complete hogwash.
There is, from my experience up to this point, no reason whatever for Althouse to delete those comments, except, of course, I am now among the enemy camp.
Althouse used to pride herself on allowing all comment, even highly critical, and either ignoring or answering it, as she saw fit. But deleting more than a few comments for no stated reason at all is something quite new. But it does fit perfectly with what Sir Archy had told me.
But time is short, the season ought to be jolly, and I can't do justice to the old Ghost's intelligence until after Christmas.
On July 4th, 2011, Trooper York wrote...
"Sixty Grit is Enos Country Slaughter."
Found that during my ongoing effort to delete all my comments on EBC's dump.
Thanks.
My response at that time was:
"Thank you, Troop, that is a compliment. I throw right, did my best hitting lefty, and share many of the attributes that Enos had. However, he was from Roxboro, which is north of here, making him a damn-near-Yankee. Other than that, and that whole Cardinal thing, we're good."
Well, I've put up both of my Hitchens comments again at the EBL's place, this time with assurances that the story has been told to the relevant people, and with the reference and link to a restaurant in Harvard Sq. removed.
Other than being two long comments, there is nothing to object to...except, of course, their being by ME, and, of course, their being longish, maybe tedious, and not what les Althouse have in mind to properly adorn such pearls as may be scattered by la professora.
Anyone wanna make a bet they're still there tomorrow morning?
You guys sound like the bad drunks after I kicked them out of my bar.
They claimed they didn't want to come back inside when, in fact, they were obsessed with it.
Well, AJ, I hadn't noticed, until now, that I was "kicked out" of the Althouse blog. Only "Mary," I thought, had that honor. I've had my differences with the EBL, as she is known around these parts, and have generally abandoned the place. But there have been a couple of occasions when it has suited me to comment on something over there. This was one of them.
Althouse's open comment policy has been a source of frustration over the years. But it has also been the defining characteristic of her magnum opus. To change it so arbitrarily and so suddenly is surprising. Many of us put up with trolls for years, and would have been happy to have seen more aggressive deletion long ago.
But my understanding was that if you put up reasonable comments, even with a disputatious history with the proprietress herself, they would be left intact. Now, comments seem to be deleted for spite. That is something new.
But I guess we're all getting old, and python bulges do get more rigid shortly before their exit.
Troop, you suck! Hairy armpits? Sending poor Hitch to Hell? Panda fornication?
Disgusted, I am.
And you, a merchant of women's clothes.
Okay. Didn't have to wait until dawn. My new and cleansed comments were also deleted.
Post facto reasons to be supplied upon application to appropriate authority.
Dr Johnson, when asked why he didn't admire Russia, replied, "Sir, I do not like arbitrary Governments."
Althouse, also from the frozen North, has become as arbitrary, in her own miniscule way, as a tiny Katherine the Great with a puny Potemkin by her side.
She ought to remember, however, that everything arranged by such a consort may not always be as pleasant as its facade may seem.
All those happy peasants smiling and waving from such nice villages.
The malcontents have been removed to Siberia.
Soon she will have to set up her own Potemkin Village of a post wherein she demonstrates what the perfect commenting community looks like, and how it conducts itself.
But that would require her to have an understanding of decency and reciprocity, even if just for cosmetic purposes. So, no such example will be forthcoming.
To me it's sad to see that anyone - especially someone whom she's wronged as much as she has certain commenters here - would have expected better. At this point I'm definitely an anthropologist.
If someone takes issue with The Golden Rule, what more is there to expect of them?
There is no more surprise in this for me. Just passing curiosity. At most.
Feel inspired by the spectacle all you want. Denounce it and satirize it. Wax poetically and at length about it. But to deem this all, er, out of character just boggles my mind.
There was never anything not capricious and arbitrary about that place. Just start with the posts themselves. It's almost like capriciousness and arbitrariness was the whole point all along. Some of us provided lovely scenery to that backdrop. But there was never anything more to the place.
I look at it as a bad, supposedly true-life story that really just turns out to be the fairy tale of someone's lost mind. It's no surprise, other than in how it came about and presents itself, and in that the fact that it did/does so in equal parts fascinating and boring.
Anyone who expected better, I wish them the best. No gloating on my part here, but just know that it's in sticking with the plot, as far as I can tell.
Well, here's one way of re-interpreting the loss to the blogosphere of ("The New") Althouse: Buzzfeed's got the scoop on a bunch of people who confused the death of another dictator with that of Lil Kim.
AJ Lynch said...
You guys sound like the bad drunks after I kicked them out of my bar.
They claimed they didn't want to come back inside when, in fact, they were obsessed with it.
December 19, 2011 10:40 PM
There is an element of that. I think people did enjoy hanging at my evil sister's place, until she got all weird on them. What my sister does not get is these commentators added value, it is because they actually care that they speak out. And it is a slap in the face when a cretin like J got free reign and good commentators got deleted.
Oh well. What do I know. I am just a cow.
What happened to Carol Herman? She was there but now she is gone. Of course I am not there a lot, so maybe I missed her. Did she fall under the new blog policy and old house lawn boy's reign of terror? Ironic that they had to lose a lot of good commentators go finally get rid of J (I never thought Carol Herman should be banned, she was more inane than anything else).
For whatever reason, the two of them have become paranoid. TT, I'm very interested in this Sir Archy thing. I read the new comment policy, and it makes absolutely no sense to me. One thing that I've noticed for quite a while, is that neither of them seem to have any friends, except each other. Maybe that's the problem. Whatever.
They have each other. It's a just world.
Don't forget the preacher man who services both of them.
For whatever reason, the two of them have become paranoid.
You are absolutely right. I'm not sure why, but there was a comment the other day that sounded really, really paranoid. Weird.
My evil twin sister is paranoid. Of course I am probably feeding it by calling her my evil twin. But what can I do? It's true.
Then again, I am sort of turned on by all this panda porn Trooper is finding. Does that make me a bad cow?
Yes it does. But in a good way.
And AllenS, I think your insights may be right.
May I propose a truce in the blog wars? at least till after epiphany--After all it is the season of peace on earth good will to men.
After January 6th, all bets are off.
Although I no longer comment on Althouse, and it was my choice, I was not banned; but I still read it (I enjoy watching train wrecks). I did note that another long time commenter has left. Do hope Fen shows up here, but is a serious political guy, and he may not appreciate the lightheartedness of Trooper's blog.
In fact, the way Fred and Trooper are cooking, we should all join them for the holidays and crack a good box of wine.
AllenS, I made a comment on the professor's blog saying exactly what you said. I noticed some time ago that they had no friends. It was quickly deleted. I also surmise she's afraid to fly. I tweaked her about that subtlely a few times but she didn't take the bait for awhile. Then she made a comment that confirmed it for me. She said, "travel is overrated and I can be happy @ home or in a coffee shop." Now, that is simply bullshit and I lashed back that travel is the best education, it's gets you out of your myopic world yada yada. It was shortly after I began getting deleted w/ impunity.
Now, the fear of flying is quite common and I don't judge someone about it. I have a close realtive w/ that phobia. But, to try and distort reality by saying travel is overrated, being a fucking college professor, is like a Major league pitching coach saying the curveball is an optical illusion. It shows that ego is like an egg.
I flew over 500 times on commercial flights, and once in a single engine private plane, and so far, the number of landings is equal to the number of take offs.
I am over flying for now. Not afraid of it, just tired of the hassle that one has to go through in order to fly.
I also have a lot of work around my houses that I can't do if I am not here. So I get staying home, but I also call BS on EBC. Pointing out that she is a liar is like saying the sun (apparently) rises in the east. Fish, barrel.
Hi Meade - how does it feel to be a minion? When will you get your manhood back?
Jesus people.
Enough.
Move on already.
Get a grip.
RogerJ, "There can be no peace w/o justice." ML King, Jr.
"There can be no peace w/o victory." Winston Churchill
I greatly admire your perspective. And, I may get there @ some point. But, I'm not there yet.
Titus?
That doesn't sound like you.
Nick--its always good to have someone to fight the good fight. Hang in there, but enjoy the season.
Well, I still enjoy commenting at the other blog because I enjoy discussing, sparring and talking with the other commenters on certain topics. However, as more and more are not involved, the interest on my part also wanes.
It seems that some people just don't get the internet. You cannot control the internet (hear that Congress) and you can't make people behave. THAT is actually the best part of the net.
Blogs are all different. Some are more political than others are more humerous. There is no reason you can't participate in all kinds. Like ice cream. How boring if all flavors were vanilla.
Althouse has always been performance art. Now it seems the art part has been forgotten.
And I agree with AJ. Get over it.
IIRC correctly, today is the first day of Hannuakh. Happy Hannuakh to our Jewish friends. For gaia's sake dont tell cedarford.
And I havent spun a dradle for years--guess need to take it up this season.
Trader Joe's didn't sell matzos this year so I missed that. They did sell those little chocolates wrapped in gold foil. Go figure.
I think RogerJ and Dust Bunny Queen and AJ Lynch all give good advice. The only problem is that every day there is a fresh outrage that ticks people off. To delete Tim simply because he posts here and is associated with what we think is of course their right. But it shows what kind of people they are. To point that out is not being obessessed. If we went back to the original dispute that might count as an obsession. But reply to a fresh event is simply a reaction to what is going on day by day in a place we used to like. Sort of like commenting on stuff happening in China after the communists took over.
I will have my final thoughts on the matter in a post I am working on:
Why Althouse is like Nixon.
@Titus: Got any grips?
And not in a good way.
And not just because of the five o'clock shadow.
I was spinnin' a dreidel the other day. Here is the song I was hearing when I was playin':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHjpsmd_oXo
Those are my people.
BTW troop--thanks for lighting candles on behalf of my fallen troopers--much appreciated.
It seems that some people just don't get the internet. You cannot control the internet (hear that Congress) and you can't make people behave. THAT is actually the best part of the net.
Absolutely, DBQ! Some people can’t handle the lack of control, we know them in life, we know them on the internet. The control is in our hands, we go where we like, read what we like, comment where we like.
I love the internet because it gives you a place for talking and arguing about whatever topic you happen to find interesting. I'm mostly not interested in personal drama and blogwars. I do find myself unable to look away from this one, though, because I've been reading that blog for so long.
DBQ, I went to your blog the other day and it's very pretty! Love the books :)
Why Althouse is like Nixon.
A grad school acquaintance named Highsmith (he cooked his own recreational drugs) used to preach that we become what we hate.
Perhaps Althouse has lost sight of her muse and will get it back.
Usually alcohol induced dementia is a one way trip. Her train has left the station.
Ancient and yet ever-new.
Sixty Grit said...
Usually alcohol induced dementia is a one way trip. Her train has left the station.
Color me skeptical but I'm still not convinced by the objective indicia. What is there besides one photo?
May I propose a truce in the blog wars? at least till after epiphany--After all it is the season of peace on earth good will to men.
After January 6th, all bets are off.
I agree, Roger J. The only reason I brought it up now was because this was the first time I've experienced the arbitrary deletion that's been vexing many people.
And also this thread seems intended for complaint.
But life moves on. I have this and another blog where, if I choose, I can comment relatively freely. And, I've got to say, this business has given me more motivation to resume blogging on my own than I've had in quite a while.
I've been depressed for well over a year because of various instances of rotten online behavior I've experienced.
But I think all this has put things in perspective. If you don't expect much, you won't be disappointed. That is the lesson I've taken away, and which has given me confidence and hope in every area of life for a better New Year.
I've been depressed for well over a year because of various instances of rotten online behavior I've experienced.
I know I have been annoyed at things on the internet before although generally it doesn't bother me because I don't take it too seriously. But on rare occasions when that sort of thing happens and I find myself getting actually real life upset over it I take a break. Do real life stuff, avoid that site, etc. until the anger goes away. Because it's neither healthy nor productive. That jmo, of course, sorry if it offends.
I agree with DBQ about the best thing about the internet. I wrote something longer but I think the spam filter ate it.
From my blog posting experience, I have only one instance where some reader emailed me complaining about my reference to Mr Obama as "jug eared" and berated me for being a racist. (Well Allen S did but were talking about war stories and comparing notes. After all we were stationed within 60 miles of each other and there are usually mutual folks you know)
I post my full identity, my email addy, and can be googled with ease--Its one of my personal quirks. I dont begrudge other commenters from remaining anonymous. As DBQ, I think noted, the internet is a great device (thanks ALGORE).
Like in all things, use with care.
Thank you for the link, Ruth Anne.
I tried my best to ignore that particular contretemps (how do you like all my foreign euphemisms?) when it happened. Fascinating reading, now.
Good advice, Shanna. That's basically what I've done, but I had a little relapse here.
Time to resume moving onward and upward ;-)
CL - no evidence, just a desire to mock a drunk. She and her spy boy suck down boxes of wine like there is no tomorrow and her blog gets driven off into the ditch. Ipso facto presto changeo presto con moto motopsycho nightmare on elm blight street.
I do ever so much like to mock such pretentious assholes.
Get back to tit postings please.
Aw man, I missed a good opportunity - that should have read "Her brain has left the station." Damn...
I read your link, Ruth Ann. Good memory. I guess I've never understood what sets the woman off. The next time I talk to Mary (the one who's banned) I'll try to find out the other side of the story.
Titus--how is the rare clumber doing? You will be off to your ancestral homeland in Wisconson? Or having to stay in your fab loft in Boston :)
AllenS--recalling from my rapidly fading memory, I think Mary might have been in a class with the professor--other than that, I can only speculate. But choose not to. Clearly some underlying issues.
Happy Hannukka!
TTB, I understand that it's possible to be deeply hurt by online events , especially when directed at family members or yourself in relation to a family member. Ive certainly developed a thicker skin during my short time at that place.
Comments as substantive as yours to have been deleted, only proves the point that we all have been asserting, it has nothing or little to do with clutter, it's personal.
On a lighter happier note, I had a wonderful evening yesterday, it is the Season for Joy , and my daughter is home, rest of family coming soon. Blog wars be damned, life goes on In the real world.
Troopers joint is as fun as hers ever was, much more. I imagine we will end up discussing politics here eventually, but you guys have to promise not to eat me alive.
Allie my dear--please dont post a comment like "eat me alive." :)
ohhhh, was that an entendre?
Glad your girl is safe and sound and enjoying the holidays with her family--wish her fair winds and following seas.
promise not to eat me alive.
How about over easy?
Ahh you see, Allie? AllenS and I were on that like turkeys on a june bug
Although I no longer comment on Althouse, and it was my choice, I was not banned...
I also stopped commenting there and only visit sporadically. What prompted me to do so was primarily J being a dick and no one there doing anything about it (J made some crack sexually about my daughter and that was pretty much it for me). I genuinely like Ann and Meade. Always have. I disagree with them occasionally, but I still like them.
Now it appears they are deleting J. That is a good thing. Because J is a racist, not funny, and offer no redeeming content whatsoever. What is stupid is deleting everyone else because Ann has got it in her head they are acting in "bad faith."
Please. If I deleted everyone in my life who ever slighted or criticized me, I would have no friends or family left. Oh wait, maybe that is the issue now for Ann and Meade...
And I do not deem what Trooper is posting as a blog war. It is more of an intervention. That is what Ann and Meade are not getting. How narcissistic of them to think long time commentators suddenly decided to destroy her blog. She needs to look at that reflection a bit more closely and realize she is doing that all by herself.
And, Allie, tell your daughter that there are a couple of crusty old veterans here that say God bless.
Titus, do you want Santa to bring you this?
Fred--on a more important issue we need to talk about smoking salmon versus steelhead--and what wood to use (ALDER), and the difference between hot smoking (kippered) versus cold smoking, Lox.
Your christmas eve fish thing sounds wonderful--reminds of me of my second ex wife who always did a traditional fish christmas eve, followed by midnight mass, and then a huge pork out.
Hanukkah is correct. I mostly can understand Yiddish, it's very similar to the German dialect I grew up speaking.
Latkes, matzo ball soup, a brisket, and rugelach on menu for tonight. My late husband wasn't religous at all, so my kids missed out on some great Jewish traditions, sadly.
Allen, I sure will.
I can never get the "ch" sound in Hebrew or Yiddish--pardon the sacrilege here, but its pretty much like hacking up a lugie (apologies to seinfeld)
RogerJ, I totally agree alder is superior to hickory for fish. Fish is mild and you want a mild smoking wood. But sometimes I use hickory just because it is around and available (hickory is better for pork and beef).
But as an alternative to alder, you can also use dried grape vines (which also makes a superior BBQ fire for any grilled meat), apple or cherry wood.
LOL, you two old buzzards.
Strange, that posted twice.
Fred--I just did a turkey breast--and agree. Alder is perfect for salmon; apple and cherry work well too. Have you ever tried cold smoking lox? I do a passable lox which my lady and I enjoy every sunday brunch. And as you pointed out, keep the skin on and slice down to the skin.
Did I mention I love smoking meats, fish, and fowl.
Jewish and German foods have many similarities, that hard ch sound is common in the German language too. Germany was once a safe haven for Jews from the pogroms in eastern Europe, tragic to know what happened a hundred years later in Germany.
Fred, I don't want female breasts.
I am not some fucking tranny.
I am butch.
I like to LOOK at females breasts.
I want hard muscular tits, which I have, but they need to MALE.
My Jewish friends tell my lox is good even if it isnt Kosher--I use Morton's sugar cure to brine it, and a liberal quantity of dill--brine for at least two days which cures the fillet chemically, and then run it under cold water for an hour. I fire up the brinkly, wait till its smoking good, put the fillet in the smoke less the heat--the other alternative, easier, probably, is to rub it very lightly with smoke flavoring.
The test of lox is sliceability. Thin pieces that dont glom on to the knife.
The rare clumber is still limping.
I was supposed to fly out Sunday but rescheduled for tomorrow.
I am taking him to day care in a couple of hours. They will call me if they need me to take him home.
Otherwise, he will be there for the next 6 days.
I feel terrible leaving him but I need to get home to mom.
Titus, you are an enigma, gotta love ya.
I have done gravlox in the fridge (but no cold smoke for that). I have friends who have cold smokers who have offered to let me use them but I have not tried them yet. A small smoke house with a smoke pipe stretching about 50 feet from the fire. Someone was telling me how they routed their smoke pipe through a stream to cool it down even more.
Of course, I could also order an electric smoker that does lox. But that would not be as fun.
Titus, I am very sorry for your rare clumber. I hope he gets better soon. I hope you have a good time with your family. Merry Christmas and Happy New Years!
Fred--on a more important issue we need to talk about smoking salmon versus steelhead--and what wood to use (ALDER), and the difference between hot smoking (kippered) versus cold smoking, Lox.
Aha!. Now you are in my territory.
We used to own and operate a smoked food deli. Smoked trout was our featured item.
We used soaked Hickory or Apple for the smoking chips. Hot smoked after marinating for in an open air, cold room for 4 to 6 hours. This gave the surface of the fish a nice glaze and sealed in the moisture. Hot smoke temp was really not all that hot. Probably about 180 degrees.
I don't have the exact proportions for the dry rub marinade but it was basically brown sugar, non iodized salt and Grandma's chili powder (now unavailable, the bastards!!) Something like 1 lb sugar, 1/3 cup salt and 2 tbsp chili powder. We also sometimes added some extra cumin.
We left the skin on the fillets but if you are doing skinned salmon fillet, you probably want to plank the fisk
Good luck.
:-D
Fred: if you want a good smoker (but hot smoker) get the Brinkly--its about 70 dollars--but buy a temperature gage and put it on the cover. Very easy. The Brinkly works well for boston butts (apologies, Titus), ribs, briskets and beef ribs. And your right--hickory and mesquite are good woods)--After its smoked to the degree you like, you can finish in the oven a low temp
A PG-13 Christmas Titty Show
Cheer up Titus.
We made our own smokers out of......get ready....defunct bladder tanks from my husband's plumbing business.
You could use a covered BBQ and keep the heat source to the side of the fish, not directly underneath and the smoke over that heat source in a small cast iron or HEAVY metal pan.
Not sure how long we cooked the fish, but the internal temp needs to get up to a certain level....I'll have to ask my husband what that is.
We used Polder digital thermometers with a probe to monitor the progress.
OK DBQ--a pacific northwest resident for 30 years--Absolutely the best salmon are the copper river sockeyes which, as you point out should be planked on an alder plank. (OK thats my PNW background talking)
Also want to note that Morton's salt carries sugar cure in a five pound bag--as the brown sugar, sodium nitrate and sodium nitrite--much easier than mixing your own.
DBQ--I always hated the thought of sticking a thermometor in the fillet--as the salmon fillet smokes, you will see the fluids rising to the top and when they become opaque (kind of yellowish jell) the fillet is good to go. Overcooking fish is a sin; right up there with deleting comments.
@ Roger
No nitrates or artificial preservatives in our products. Dumbplumber is allergic and gets migranes so we never started out experimenting with any pre packaged mixes.
The main ingredient was the Grandma's Chili Powder. I have never been able to find a suitable substitute. Mild with a sweet subtle smokey hotness.
The hot wings used basically the same dry rub with a healthy ! addition of cayenne. They were so good.....I may have to make a batch or three for New Years.
I agree on the thermometer and just eyeball it when I'm do some in the BBQ. However, we were processing hundreds of pounds at a time so the thermometer helped keep tabs on which smokers were getting out of control...too hot.
"Dumbplumber" whom I assume may part of your life is probably a good indicator--you might try, if I may so bold, try a chipotle chili power--does have a light smoky taste.
Hey, you know what? I love all of you guys. I really do.
Tim's comment touched me because people who don't understand how a feeling of friendship can be forged through blog comments/online chatter have told me to "get over" stuff here and there too. Dismissing the connection. There is one. And I'm glad you're back, Tim.
I believe good comes out of even the most horrible of situations - and this dustup was nothing compared to the atrocities happening daily in this world, let me make that clear. But good things will come of it. I'm sure of that.
Damn--leave it Darcy to get all philosophical on us :)
Especially when some of us were cluttering up thread talking about smoking fish and meats.
Hey when you start talking about fish you know Darcy will show up.
As she often says we are all lesbians at Trooper York. Just sayn'
Loved the discussion y'all are having, Roger J. :)
Well, that too, Troop. ;-)
Especially when some of us were cluttering up thread talking about smoking fish and meats.
Clutter? And here I thought I was 'mansplaining' how to smoke fish.
Thanks for the chipotle suggestion.
BTW: Dumbplumber is my ever lovin' long suffering husband.
Darcy--living in Memphis now--this is important stuff :)
We have a fairly large orthodox Jewish community in my area (dont tell cedarford)--and every September they have a wonderful kosher BBQ fest-
And dont get me started on wet ribs versus dry ribs :) (I favor wet)
RogerJ, have you ever tried Columbia River spring chinook?
Yes, it is better than Copper River.
Ummm DBQ--long suffering :)
ducks
I wish he was around Brooklyn. I have mondo plumbing problems today. My flushometer broke in the toilet and the pipe for the sink in the kitchen just broke in two pieces and I have to juryrig it until the plumber can come by.
RogerJ, have you ever tried Columbia River spring chinook?
Yes, it is better than Copper River.
Carry on, Roger J. I will just, uh...lick my chops. Hehehe.
Fred--you getting close to heresy here--but I take your point--any sea run salmon will be good--its just that copper river sockeyes are better--just saying--and you always want to plank them on an alder plank and serve with walla walla sweet onions, or vidalia sweet onions.
When working apple or even crabapple wood, I save all the chips. I now have access to several tons of hickory, may end up saving a bit of that, too. Pecan makes incredibly savory smoke, as does maple. Walnut, not so much. I gave a plank of Eastern Red Cedar to a guy who wanted to make cedar soup in the style of PNW Indians. Juniperus virginiana is very different than Thuja plicata, Western Red Cedar. I doubt that fish tasted very good once he was done with it.
In the past I have given the chips to people who smoke their meat.
Sixty--you are right about pecan--an under used great smoking wood.
We can talk about other bloggers, but when it comes to smoking stuff, this is really important stuff IMO
I will dodge the question of smoking other things :)
Do you suppose that smoking meat with 420 might give you the munchies and make you horny? just sayin
Troop: apologize for cluttering your thread--(dont ban me bro)
the morning shift is going off and will leave the thread in your capable commenters hands
I really do enjoy this blog--thanks troop
RogerJ, don't get me wrong, I love sockeye and Cooper River fish are exceptional. But they are also frozen (which is fine if done right but still not as good as fresh). Except for high end restaurant grade, pretty much all fish from Alaska is frozen.
Columbia River spring chinook are chinook (king salmon) that run in the spring but do not actually spawn until late summer/fall. They have to hold in the river for all summer before the spawn. I assume they do so to navigate streams when they water flow is high and then hold in deep pools when the river and stream levels drop in summer and fall.
But there is no food for them in those streams (or very little). So they are exceptionally fat and rich when they come from the sea. They are bright in the river in April and May. The flavor is incredible. And unlike other exceptional salmon in Alaska and Kamkatcha, you can buy them fresh from a good fishmonger if you do not go fishing for them yourself.
And those fish are feeding in the Gulf of Alaska almost their entire adult lives. Then they swim down the coast of SE Alaska, BC, and Washington to get to the Columbia.
I am going to guess Trooper is not minding us talking fish, especially when we are just a few days from the high season of fish feeds.
Don't worry about it RogerJ. Talk about anything you want. I don't have much to contribute to the fish talk since I never cook it. The wife is allergic so on Christmas eve I have to make her pasta instead. I cook some fish for the other people but this year they insisted that it be catered since we are going to my mother in laws and she has a tiny kitchen.
I like the way you cook Fred and I am going to incorporate some of your methods into the next time I make that dish.
I am sorry your wife has a sea food allergy. My wife has a lamb phobia. She lived in Algeria as child and ate mutton every day she was there. She can't stand the smell of cooked sheep.
Which is too bad because spring lamb is nothing like old mutton (I love lamb), but I know people who got that way about shellfish from getting sick on a bad oyster.
My wife is allergic to scallops and my son is allergic to lamb. I gave up both out of solidarity.
I don't even miss scallops. But a good gyro is a good gyro.
I went scuba diving in Vietnam (not far from Nha Trang) and found some giant scallops. We made a little fire in the habachi on the dive boat (it was a big fishing boat I hired) and roasted them. They were incredible. I wish I saved the shells. They were like a foot across. Really beautiful. Would have been great for stuffed clams this Saturday.
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