Friday, January 27, 2012

The only thing worse than a journalist is a lawyer.


Every time I am involved with something that gets in the press they fuck it up and get everything wrong. The press release is a case in point.

The douchebag liberals at the Huffington Post take the press release and somehow interpet it that Stacy London will be on the show and every episode will style three people instead of just one on WNTW. Stacy is the producer. The owner of the show. She will not appear on it. She might make a commercial or two or pop in for a minute once or twice but she is not in the show. Of course I caught it and wrote them a correction. Which they put in. But they still fucked it up and didn't carry the correction thought the whole post. Then In-style picked it up and carried forward the error. Other sites that cannibalized it and carried forth the error. It spread like fuckin herpes at the Jersey Shore house. I called the publicity broad to have get out in front of this. But it doesn't look like she did.

The only thing worse than a journalist is a lawyer.

160 comments:

Michael Haz said...

Don't go all Hollywod on us, Troop. Stay calm. It's nearly impossible to unscrew things taht are screwed up.

ndspinelli said...

There has never been a case I worked on over the years that a journalist got correct.

Just recently, the local Madison paper did a 3 part series on arson cases and an incestuous relationship between the cops and private arson investigators hired by the insurance companies. The case I worked on the woman was not prosecuted criminally because it would have been tough to convict beyond a reasonable doubt..although I beliece they could have. The woman burned down her house..w/o question. I had a great source that helped us establish she took everything of value[pictures, memorabilia, jewelry, pets, etc.] out just before the fire. There was a lot of other red flag evidence. In the civil case the jury came back quickly and didn't give her one cent of insurance. Well, this was one of the cases that the reporter tried to paint as a victim. The reporter had a story about evil insurance companies and dammit this was one of those cases. Believe me, insurance companies can be pricks. But in this case they were righteous.

ricpic said...

I second what Haz said.

Your job, Troop, should you choose to accept it, is to concentrate solely on the show and not get all frazzled about the inevitable ancillary screwups.

Like that ancillary? Free of charge. ;^)

Darcy said...

Wow! HuffPo. :)

This is exciting! (Sorry about the screwup)

rcommal said...

It seems to me that you should add the category "publicist".

And I think citizen-journalism--and remember, that's how Huffpo started--has had some real downsides, this being an example.

Also, that press release was organized pretty poorly. This does not excuse Huffpo's misinterpretation (I'm not a Huffpo fan), but whoever wrote that press release wasn't very savvy about potential pitfalls. To a certain degree, it was begging for misinterpretation

PR people are worse than journalists in terms of writing to the point. I should know: God knows I've written, read, edited and argued over enough of them to know.

rcommal said...

The best way to ensure your message gets across to journalists via a press release is to ....

drumroll ...

write the damn press release from a journalist's perspective from a WRITING standpoint. Don't write it like a damn press release, write like a damn news article, which for starters, means writing a real lede--to the point and focusing on the essentials in, most often, one sentence and as pithy a one as possible. Then expand from there.

In your case, while the Stacey London connection is absolutely key, too much is made of it at the top of the release. And the first paragraph of that release is NOT written as a lede at all: Its focus is off, its details are out of order and, above all, it's a cluttered, long paragraph and not a lede at all. It does not focus and position the piece properly.

This is not intended as a rant, Trooper: I am giving you my honest, professional opinion here. I've been beating this drum about press releases for something like 25 years, I kid you not, from both sides (as a journalist and as a writer of press releases). This is not personal to you--though it is, indeed, a personal pet peeve of mine, professionally speaking.

FWIW.

rcommal said...

Who the heck cares (as a matter of priority), for example, who the production company is--except for the company itself? It's important to include it in the release, but this is SO not lede-worthy. It's clutter. Mentioning London is a different matter due to her name recognition, but too much is made of it right off the bat. Mention in the lede, sure, but do it pithily and get to the point. One can always get back to emphasizing that thereafter--in the 2nd paragraph, even, and in a number of places thereafter.

Structure counts. Framing counts.

rcommal said...

To be clear, the "look what Stacey London's doing now!" angle is a perfectly valid hook for getting people's attention. But it needs to be done well, lest folks ending up focusing on the wrong thing, which inevitably leads to error, or at least enables sloppy fuck-ups, which unfortunately has been your experience here.

It makes me mad--for you, Trooper, not AT you.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

Any publicity is good publicity, if they come watch the show and see your smiling mug what could go wrong?

Then again, focus on Lisa.

rcommal said...

EBL: OK, except that if viewers' expectations are that London will appear, then they may feel that they've had a "bait and switch" pulled on them, which is definitely not a good thing. That sort of thing pisses people off and tends to turn them off.

Often enough, any publicity is indeed good publicity, but not ALWAYS, especially in the case of expectation management.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

I updated to include a link to your store. Which none of the articles provided. It would be better if other friends of yours posted and reposted that link in comments to these various press releases so people keep finding the store link.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

I thought about the headline: Midgets, we don't need no stinkin Midgets...but thought that might not help with the TLC folks.

Anonymous said...

I agree that the Stacy London connection will bring the show attention until they get to know and love you and Lisa as distinct personalities.

I don't even read HuffPo.

Some lawyers are great, but mostly if they are family or friends.

Darcy said...

Yep, Allie. Obviously, there are exceptions!

Like my bosses. Best attorneys ever. ;-)

Anonymous said...

Or like my daughter! She hates litigation, but since she works for the state , the DOJ does most of their litigation, so she doesn't have to very often.

BJM said...

The only thing worse than a journalist is a lawyer.

Occasionally one needs a lawyer; a journalist, not so much.

In today's wired world journalists are dinosaurs who have fallen into a ideological tar pit of their own making, the more they thrash about, the deeper they sink into the mire.

Trooper York said...

I agree that the press release was poorly worded. But the problem with the whole project is the lack of attention to detail. My problem is that I hadn't pointed this out to the publicist she would have let it go. I am very aware that we don't want to have a "bait and switch" situation here.

The only way to get it done right is to do it yourself.

Don't get me wrong. I would love it if Stacy appeared in every episode. But she will not style anyone in any of the episodes. So they got it totally wrong. What is even worse is that when I wrote them to correct it they made a half ass correction that is still wrong.

This is just one of the many details that we are getting our fingers in to get it right.

Trooper York said...

I hear what you are saying Michael but I have to sweat the small stuff. You see these guys give important jobs to the lowest guy on the totem pole. This is my brand and I have to protect it. If that means I have to work harder than everyone on the whole project then that is what I will do.

Every night before I go to bed I send the producer an email with every fuck up that went on. It is called building a paper trail. It also lends itself to accountablity to all of the people working on the project know that we are watching everything and maybe they will think twice before they fuck off.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

"It is called building a paper trail..."

You sound like you got some legal advice along the way!

Trooper York said...

I was an accountant in a past life and you need to develop a paper trail. It is what you do.

Oh and accountants hate lawyers.

Titus said...

Unless the journalist or lawyer have a great set of tits.

tits.

windbag said...

...some of us stay up at night trying to erase the paper trail...

Anonymous said...

Son in law is a manufacturer, graduated with a degree in Enonomy. He hates lawyers too except for his two sister in laws, one on his wife's side and one on his brother's side. He's learned pretty quickly to zip, when lawyer bashing around those two women, LOL!

His firm has been sued over bogus product injury cases, he likes his lawyers then. Good thing his best friend is a Patent Lawyer, he's found use for them too, so he doesn't bash them either.

I guess every kind of critter has a purpose, a good lawyer is one of those critters. :)

ndspinelli said...

You know who lawyers hate the most..doctors. I worked for lawyers who defended docs in medical malpractice cases. What makes lawyers so jealous are the 2 things that cut to their core; money and respect. Docs make more $'s[generally] and get much more respect than lawyers. And, the docs are smart enough not to trust the lawyers defending them. It's fun to watch.

Just got back from attending my first PGA event. I've never been to a Nascar race but it couldn't be any fucking whiter than the Farmers Insurance Open in San Diego.

Anonymous said...

My husband had his issues with lawyers, but he also needed them. I think Docs hate Insurance Companies even more.

ndspinelli said...

Allie, I didn't say docs hate lawyers, I said vice versa. I did say docs didn't trust lawyers. I'm reminded of Frankie Five Angels telling Michael Corleone, "Yes, Michael..your father did business w/ Hymen Roth, your father respected Hymen Roth, but your father never trusted Hymen Roth."

Anonymous said...

Yes, so you did. :)

Roseann Roseanna Danna voice, never mind.

ndspinelli said...

I've said many times, a great number of people became attorneys because of Atticus Finch. However, you could lob mortar rounds into most courthouses in the US and never kill an Atticus Finch.

Here's another group that hate lawyers..lawyers from other countries. In most civilized countries, lawyers are quite honorable. Attorneys from other countries are appalled and ashamed when they have dealings w/ most US attorneys.

Anonymous said...

But as in all things, there are exceptions to the rule. My daughter's best friend is a Dermatology resident.

Darcy said...

Atticus Finch (well, Gregory Peck as Atticus Finch).

*swoon*

Darcy said...

What a hunk of...brains. ;-)

Anonymous said...

Brains are probably the sexiest thing about a man Darcy.

chickelit said...

Gregory Peck's Oscar Speech: link. Note the lack of grandstanding- back in the day when actors made their statements through their works.

I recently rewatched TKAMB with my kids and it holds up really well.

chickelit said...

Allie Oop said...
Brains are probably the sexiest thing about a man Darcy.

I like frontal lobes in women too.

chickelit said...

I feel like E.F. Hutton

Anonymous said...

When EF Hutton talks , people listen?

chickelit said...

No, just that they all stopped talking. The "listening" part is actually a voice over.

windbag said...

Harper Lee was hot.

Anonymous said...

Windbag, seriously?

chickelit said...

Wasn't Harper Lee's love unrequited?

Anonymous said...

Who was her love, Truman Capote?

Anonymous said...

Well no wonder it was unrequited if it was Truman Capote, but I do believe I found who her unrequited love was.

chickelit said...

Dill?

Anonymous said...

Dill may have had the hots for Scout, but not Harper Lee, lol.

chickelit said...

I thought the book was autobiographical? Scout = Harper.

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Anonymous said...

OK I'll get it right this time.


Hmmm, I guess it couldve been, but doesn't she claim it wasnt autobiographical?

I read that she was in love with a college professor, but didn't act on it.

Anonymous said...

Well, if it was autobiographical Dill would've been Truman Capote, so it seems that Dill may have had the hots for Jem.

ndspinelli said...

Many believe Capote was Dill and of course Scout was Harper Lee..in the poetic novel sense. Many also believe Capote @ least co-wrote Mockingbird. Harper Lee never produced anyhing of substance after the superb, Mockingbird.

ndspinelli said...

Then again, Capote never produced anything of substance after In Cold Blood. Booze would be the reason for that.

The Dude said...

She told all the stories she needed to tell. That she wrote nothing else bothers me not a whit. Did Capote help? Maybe. Was Dill Capote? Yep. Was TKAMB perfect? Nope. But it evoked a time and place in a way that still resonates with those of us who remember such things. I read that book 18 months ago, enjoyed it. Saw the movie last year - it's still good. And I think Harper is still hot.

windbag said...

Allie, yes, really.

Anonymous said...

Well, that just proves the point I made earlier to Darcy, intelligence ( and the gifts it brings) is most definitely sexy.

chickelit said...

Harper Lee never produced anyhing of substance after the superb, Mockingbird.

Did Capote co-write "Catcher In The Rye," too?

It must terrible to be close to someone talented. You can never get credit for yourself.

windbag said...

Jodie Foster is a plain Jane, but she's sexy beyond belief. Another one for your file, Allie.

Anonymous said...

Windbag, I consider Jodie Foster to be a natural beauty, highly intelligent as a bonus. I don't consider her plain a all.

Michael Haz said...

Good evening, fellow citizens of TYland. I see it's been a good day and a better evening on the *improved* TY blog.

That other place is still running photos of turkeys.

Titus said...

Jodi is a carpet muncher though.

She's a big fucking dyke.

What a waste.

tits.

Anonymous said...

Did it ever occur to you Titus that the same thing probably has been said about a handsome gay man? It wouldn't be a waste for another lesbian, now would it?

Titus said...

Jodi has shown her tits in movies.

I like that.

Capote was a big fucking fag. I don't like that.

Harper Lee lives in Alabama and never gives an interview and I like that very much.

tits.

Ron said...

Looks like I'm late to the cotillion...I agree with both Haz and Trooper...Haz, because I don't want to see TY get agita, and TY because I know all too well how things can get 'off course' unless someone cracks the whip.

Still....it's all very exciting!

Anonymous said...

So Titus, tell me , I'm so curious, just what do tits do for you? Is it a sexual thing with you, is it a infantile longing, why do you like them so much? What do they do for you? Would you actually touch a woman breasts if invited, or would you be frightened?

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blake said...

You're new here, relatively, Allie, so you don't know that Titus often regales us with tails of how he gropes women (and they let him because he's gay).

Anonymous said...

Blake, you're right, I didnt know that, OK, that answers one question.

chickelit said...

Blake's right Allie. I think you can discount any erectile effect that breasts might have on Titus. There are other function for breasts (aside from their nurtural utility).

OTOH, lately Titus has been showing signs of Cynthia Nixon syndrome.

windbag said...

This somehow seems appropriate.

MamaM said...

He was a real man, and he lived just down the road from us. We used to go and get those things out of the trees. Everything she wrote about it is absolutely true. But you see, I take the same thing and transfer it into some Gothic dream, done in an entirely different way."
T Capote, The Worlds of Truman Capote

ricpic said...

Lawyers get back at doctors when they put them on the stand. My Dad was a GP, was called as a witness in a case (the specifics of the case were never revealed to me as I was a young kid at the time) and was humiliated by a lawyer who limited him to yes/no answers when the aspect of the case pertaining to his medical expertise was of course full of shades of grey. I can still remember how distressed he was at the dinner table that day. We all knew not to bring it up again...ever.

The law has only the most tenuous relation to the truth. But you all know that.

Titus said...

Allie, women's breasts are not sexual for me but they do stimulate me.

I like them in a non threatening way and yes I enjoy touching my "girlfriends" tits, and yes they let me.

tits.

Titus said...

Today it is warm out and I went out to take the rare clumber out and there were many women running by and their tits were bouncing and I enjoyed watching them.

Tits bouncing are fun.

They look like they are saying weeeeee.

tits.

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ricpic said...

What the aitch does it mean to like tits in a non-threatening way? Does that mean you like hog in a threatening way? Or are there different rules for queers? Or no rules? Yes, I think I'm homing in on it now: rules for "straights" applied by queers to whom no rules apply.

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Anonymous said...

What the hell?

Darcy said...

It is an odd way of expressing it, but I get what Titus means. I also get why it would raise eyebrows, Ritmo. I don't think ricpic's comment says anything like what you're trying to say about him.

Actually, I'm not really sure what you're accusing Rick of, but a straight man not being able to "get" the turn ons/fascinations for a gay man is pretty normal.

Also, Titus takes the ribbing very well here. I love that about him.

ricpic said...

Montana Urban Legend was a much sweeter guy than his present incarnation.

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Michael Haz said...

Whoa. Condescend much?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Who, Michael? You mean ricpic?

Yes, I found his accusation that queers make rules that only others should abide by - despite supposedly feeling that they are above them - to be very condescending.

Of course, I'm sure you didn't.

Why is that?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Whatever. It's not worth causing a ruckus over and not worth upsetting Trooper's apple cart. I'll delete the offending comments.

But no, ric. Queers (Titus) don't make rules for you to follow that they don't apply to themselves. They just might experience things in different ways, which is an issue separate from the different things that elicit these feelings.

The Dude said...

Reading or responding to Ritmo whatever the fuck he calls himself this week is like responding to J. Pointless.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

You think so, Sixty?

I guess that's why you never stuck up for anyone on behalf of what J. put them through.

TTBurnett said...

Knowing that any conversation may benefit from a little digression, I'd like to mention that Garrison Keillor once said that if you know the reality of a situation, and you read about it in the newspapers, they have about as much to do with each other as green and the number 7.

That's not to say you might not see a green "7" sometimes, but that's approximately the relationship.

Of course, this came from Keillor when he was being raked over the coals in the St Paul Pioneer Press ("Gastric Distress") for his personal life. It was refreshing to see that someone of Keillor's opinions had discovered just how wanting of accuracy and nuance the press could be, even if they habitually support the same political faction Mr. Keillor favors.

This isn't perhaps a digression, so much as a beneficial regression to the original topic.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

It's a helpful one, Tim. Thanks.

Chip S. said...

A professor I know tells the story of the time a reporter for the local paper called to ask for some help in writing a story about a proposal for the city to subsidize an "art cinema". The first thing the prof. told the reporter was, "I'll give you some ideas, but understand that this is not my area of expertise."

Sure enough, the story in the next day's paper quoted him as "Professor X, whose research focuses on the movie industry..."

Titus said...

There is a movie on right now starring John Wayne called The Star Packer.

chickelit said...

I'm clear and I'm here!

chickelit said...

Since the written record has been partially destroyed here, it's impossible to comment.

Has anyone else noticed that Trooper's fame seems to mean that he spends less time with us?

I mean, good on him and all, but there's a price for everything.

chickelit said...

Did you guys know that JoLo has a professional nipple tweaker? link

h/t LL

Chip S. said...

She could just ice 'em up on her own.

So my guess is that this guy was high bidder for the "job." He probably has to scrub her toilets with Q-tips or something.

chickelit said...

Back on topic: Troop, perhaps somebody at PuffHo has it in for you. Maybe you insulted one of them once over on the "other place" and this was just a way for them to claw back.

Is that paranoid?

windbag said...

Has anyone else noticed that Trooper's fame seems to mean that he spends less time with us?

He mentioned his crazy schedule and special events with the production crew. A few posts back he said something about how late they're up into the morning hours. And he still has to run his business. In the past, he's had stretches of silence.

The good thing, I hope, is that all his experiences are providing rich material for future postings. Maybe his absence is more noticeable in anticipation of more insider information on the secret project?

Chip S. said...

Is that paranoid?

A little.

The source of the problem was a poorly written press release.

Anyway, since TY is v. busy these days, these threads will just have to meander on their own. So with that in mind...does anybody here know how to break into the nipple pinching profession? Without going full Titus, that is.

chickelit said...

Meandering is fine--even maundering.

Rivers and water flow are fascinating. I love how the Mississippi River meanders in certain places, creating oxbow lakes, and even isolating parts of states. One day I'll fulfill a dream and travel that river by boat.

The Dude said...

CL, I am currently (arg!) reading a book entitled "Rising Tide" which is about the big flood on the Mississippi in 1927. My father used to talk about that flood, he survived it, but many people didn't.

The book goes into a lot of detail about the river itself - and while I have crossed it many times, seen it even more, after reading this book I really don't want much more to do with it. I am going to stick with the neighborhood creek which is called a river - it's not much more than knee deep around here - much easier to deal with.

But good luck with your journey - the river will provide you with a lot of experiences.

AllenS said...

Trooper is probably going through a busting of the balls situation with this production company. Kick em in the nuts for me.

Anonymous said...

I'm glad I missed most of that, it was much more fun having lunch with my two of my daughters and granddaughter in Cedarburg ( for you Wisconsinites) then on to bridal gown shopping, for my youngest daughter.

Sometimes argument and debate can be addicting, sometimes it IS just best to step back and let things ride, we rarely ever change anyone's mind.

Anonymous said...

My last comment NOT directed toward Trooper's situation.

Trooper York said...

Hey I was busy at the TLC commercial promo shoot yesterday.

New stuff today.

blake said...

'bout damn time.

I'm a Netizen! I demand constant free content!!

ndspinelli said...

Allie, My bride and daughter are having the same angst.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Since the written record has been partially destroyed here, it's impossible to comment.

Well, no reason why it should stop you from taking out your tunneling electron microscope and trying anyway!

But I'll save you the suspense. It seemed I read too much into a comment by ric, (which is still there), by wondering if it was meant to disparage. I must have forgotten where I was, and overlooked the likelihood that he simply meant it in jest. Mea culpa, and glad that it didn't wreak too much havoc on Allie's day, which she happily found to be more important anyway.

chickelit said...

I did have a pedantic objection to ricpic's use of the the word "incarnation" at 11:36 AM. That word is rooted in "the flesh." I don't think people who appear here and elsewhere qualify as incarnations--the word "virtual" is closer to the mark. I like the scientist's use of in vivo, in vitro, and, more recently, in silico.

Chickenlittle is an insilication of me.

The Dude said...

So, those are implants...

chickelit said...

-Si-Si-Si- vs. -O-Si-O-Si-

Only women inhabit breasts.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

In silico certainly is an awesome way of putting it, isn't it? I think I first ran across that several years back and found it a delightful addition to in vitro and in vivo.

But for the life of me, I can't figure out why I haven't gotten around to translating the first component of your new name, Chick. Lumen is "light", but I guess I'm going for the challenge of trying to figure out what modern words were derived from numen. Something tells me it's not an ancient Roman word for a husky mail carrier who gets on the local comedian's nerves.

Also, I like the rays that protrude upward. They give the eye a very Freemason feel, but at the same time, I could almost see it as a tribal hair design. Or spikes. Either way, I'm thinking of a goth version of the old Chickie with it.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Dammit! Second big mistake of the day! Lumen is "unit" - I should have known 'cause this was passed down almost directly into anatomical terminology. Lux is "light".

Flog me now or whatever.

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The Dude said...

Hey, I just stated that they were implants. Didn't go into their chemical or crystalline makeup. Ingots of doped Si or other 3-5 semiconductors, go ahead and pick the ones that float your boat, as it were. Like the worst band director I ever played for - being a semiconductor is setting the bar pretty high.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

I'll keep it even simpler for ya, Sixty and let you in on the secret that, if you're going to go there - nothing beats saline.

Which is perfect for Chickie as that's where his excursion down the Mississippi will eventually lead him!

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

At least in terms of safety. In terms of "feel", I could be off. But I prefer the real thing anyway.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Make that the real "things".

chickelit said...

"Numen Lumen" is Latin for Neuman's Loomin' (on his way :)

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Anonymous said...

Nick, wonderful news, weddings are so amazing, despite the angst, sturm und drang.

My daughter bought a dress, absolutely breathtaking, I'm so proud of myself, I didn't dissolve into a puddle of tears when I saw it on her, I held it together like a trooper!

I so wish my husband would've been here to share the joy, she's our youngest.

rcommal said...

I am entirely struck by, for example, a detail shared in another post on this blog (not this one) which is so profoundly ripe for promoting this.

Stacy London visited Lee Lee's Valise the second day it was open (or whatever day it was--please note, I'm reacting here as a commenter, as I have throughout this thread, not as someone charged with verifying details)?!!!! Wow!

So, that happened. Then, Lee Lee's Valise was featured many times (not just a couple of times, and not just in the most recent season of WNTW). Then, Stacy and whomever and whatever else involved in production companies and so forth decided: "These folks oughta be in a show AND these folks are excellent at what they do."

How does that not scream out a great story? An obvious hook, tag et cetera?

Um.

rcommal said...

Ya need some juicy, Troop, people who can spot juicy. London obviously can and did. But now she's busy (as well she ought be). You indicated that you have direct contact with your publicist. Insist that they find the juice.

/2 cents

TTBurnett said...

I think R,L has painted the number 7 a nice shade of Kelly green.

Ruth Anne Adams said...

chicken little: if I'm not mistaken, your newest avatar, the Numen Lumen, is the seal of the University of Wisconsin. At least it was back when I attended it. And I always thought it translated to 'New Light.' But, again, I might be mistaken.

chickelit said...

You are not mistaken, nor can I lie to you, RAA. The avi is derived from the core of UW-Madison's seal (though I made it).

And Numen Lumen means "Divinity's Light" (not Divinity Lite).

chickelit said...

"O Ritmo Segundo" is a nice pun in Portuguese, BTW.

Authoritative. Forceful.


Italian readers would recognize it as secondo Ritmo. Germans would say Nach Rhythmus.

The Dude said...

Sekunden-Rhythmus. Second rythme. But I don't get it. 60 bpm. Un ciclo al secondo. That one hurts.

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Anonymous said...

Nach rythmus, eine Frau wird schwanger. Schlechte Idee. Besser die Pille nehmen.

chickelit said...

"Secondo" means "according to" in Italian.

"Secondo mio:" According to me.

"Secondo Ritmo" = according to Ritmo and Ritmo the second. Double entendre. I like that.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Well, I really only did it to sidestep (context appropriate word) Google's recent descent into agglomerating everything. I still have Ritmo Reanimated, but this one's not through that server, and I figured I'd call it, as translated into English, "Ritmo the Second". Kind of like a simple succession thing.

But then I realized it could also be translated as "The Second Rhythm". I like that even better. It's got the same feel as the comedy troupe "Second City", but with an application to dance or music, it takes on the context of harmony, where multiple melodies are playing, or polyrhythmic beats.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

What exactly is Allie trying to say about schwangs?

chickelit said...

Schwanger is kind of an ugly German word but it had an Anglo-Saxon equivalent in Swangor

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Glad I could appeal to your appreciation of double-entendre, CL. ;-)

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

You trip me out. You have links to an online Anglo-Saxon dictionary? What will the internets think of next?

I guess it was better than the definition I found in the Urban Dictionary.

chickelit said...

I appreciate double entendre even when it's not intended.

chickelit said...

Word history, Ritmo. You've got to get into it.

Anonymous said...

I'm saying that using rhythm as means of birth control will get a woman pregnant.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

I got a chuckle out of that one video in Wisconsin where Meade was arguing with a guy over the meaning of a word based on what he looked up in the Urban Dictionary. ;-)

chickelit said...

I'm sure that the French killed the perfectly descriptive swangor and gave us pregnant. "Gravid" just sounds too...fishy.

chickelit said...

I got that Allie. I usually do get your German.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Oh dude. I'm totally all about the philology. I started getting bored in high school, and read Wheelock's Indo-European Philology on the side. At least, I think that's who published it.

The early philologists (antiquated word for historical linguists) were also German, if I remember correctly.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Lockwood. That's who wrote it.

Looks like it's no longer published.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Hi Allie. I wanted to comment on the Margot Kidder thread but I didn't know if it would look presumptuous to think that the advent of SSRIs in the past 15 years had changed the prognosis of what was being discussed.

chickelit said...

Dude, Duden Volume 7 is a must have.

Anonymous said...

Primagravida, Multigravida, what is no pregnancies, Anagravida?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

So as long as we're discussing German and Anglo-Saxon, what say you about ostensible links between the two, such as the Frisian language?

"Bûter, brea, en griene tsiis is goed Ingelsk en goed Frysk."

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Anonymous said...

Ritmo, I realize SSRI's are used for clinical depression, but aren't other meds being used in addition for bipolar disorder? Like the anti-epileptics? I wonder if Lithium is still being used?

I used to have to open Lithium capsules to get some of our patients to take it disguised in ice cream or whatever we could sneak it into.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

I'm pretty sure that lithium can be formulated as a liquid, as well. We still use it, but you're right that the more common "mood stabilizers" now are the newer anticonvulsants. Antidepressants, to the extent that they're used, seem to be like some underlying backbone but not directed toward the mania, which seems to play more prominently in the illness.

But that last part is more my (admittedly, off the cuff) impression. I had already realized that I might have spoken too quickly or brazenly (as I'm wont to do) on the Kidder thread, which is why I deleted them.

But the other parts I'm pretty sure of. Yes, you're right.

chickelit said...

The Low Germanic languages, Frisian, Flemish, Dutch are chimerical: sort of a transition state between German and English.

Actually, Swiss German and Allie's beloved Schwäbisch dialect have commonalities with the older Plattdeutsch languages-but mainly in that they both didn't change like German did.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

What really tickled my curiosity bone, however, was the degree to which that had impacted prognosis. At first I would have thought drastically so. But now I'm not so sure.

chickelit said...

Lithium...I love it!

(Slow loading clip for me but worth it)

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

I used to be really interested in psych in school. It was one of my few elective clinical rotations that I didn't get. Probably the only one. I knew the therapeutics cold before graduating, then quickly forgot about them until years later. It's generally pretty straightforward stuff, though - except interactions seem to be attended to in more depth. I had to pick it up again a few years ago, but I still don't enjoy it as much as I once thought I did. Or as much as I thought I would.

Physicians love to image things. I think that once brain scans become diagnostic gold standards for visualizing psychiatric disorders, we'll make a lot more progress.

chickelit said...

We still use it, but you're right that the more common "mood stabilizers" now are the newer anticonvulsants.

Bromide (which used to be available over-the counter) is still prescribed as an anti-convulsant.

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Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Not in humans. Maybe in pets.

But that was a funny clip. Sex and the City? What are you trying to say about your viewing habits, CL? ;-)

Also, there was a tie-in to a deli... but then, the setting is Manhattan, after all.

This blog is really coming together, eh? Lol.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

I don't know what in Hades Sex in the City has to do with anything, least of all this, but I re-watched Chasing Amy for the first time last night, and realized how good it was.

It even raised my estimation of Ben Affleck's otherwise not very mentionable acting skills. But Joey Lauren Adams? Those scenes of hers were great.

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chickelit said...

Have you seen Amy Adams in "The Fighter"?

Smokin'

blake said...

Chasing Amy is probably the Smith kid's best flick, discounting his "Night with Kevin Smith" stuff.

Red State is getting strong reviews, though.

blake said...

Amy Adams was excellent in The Fighter. And yeah, smokin' hot.