I read last Saturday in the
redwoods outside of Santa Cruz
and I was about 3/4's finished
when I heard a long high scream
and a quite attractive
young panda came running toward me
glistening fur & divine eyes of fire
and she leaped up on the stage
and screamed: "I WANT YOU!
I WANT YOU! TAKE ME! TAKE
ME!"
In Panda talk.
I told her, "look, get the hell
away from me."
but she kept tearing at my
clothing and throwing herself
at me.
"where were you," I
asked her, "when I was living
on one candy bar a day and
sending short stories to the
Atlantic Monthly?"
she grabbed my balls and almost
twisted them off. her kisses
tasted like grubs and salmon.
2 women jumped up on the stage
and
carried her off into the
woods.
I could still hear her screams
as I began the next poem.
mabye, I thought, I should have
taken her on stage in front
of all those eyes.
but one can never be sure
whether it's good poetry or
bad acid.
147 comments:
Or good acid and bad poetry - one may never know.
See Trooper, here's the thing: You gotta fight, for your right, to paaaaaarty!!!
It's not something that's just given to you. Freedom isn't free, yo.
but one can never be sure
whether it's good poetry or
bad acid.
Or good acid and bad poetry
Well, you're not boolean me.
AOI!
I'm on the porch 'cause I lost my housekey
Pick up my book I read Bukowski...
I love that song. Nice work, Chickie!
Not to be confused with bukkake, of course.
Kiss me right here on my tattoo.
Me and my friends and the sex machine.
Another awesome line.
Never listened to RHCP before, but anyone who references Robert Williams can't be all bad. Well, except for their lame-ass music.
Ann Althouse said:
"I'm comforted by the fact (fact, established over years, undeniable to those paying attention) that this is about eliminating sabotage not opinions that run contrarily (contrary?) to those of the proprietor."
Absolutely. And thanks for reminding me of the word "sabotage." That's exactly what I'm trying to get at.
"Anyhoo - I think the "good faith" thing is just way too subjective to enforce."
But we've been doing it for the past few weeks and I'm saying we're succeeding. You're seeing the results of the policy on this blog. You may not notice when things run well, but we do. We're cultivating the garden here, and we're putting in a lot of work, work that has a real effect, and we know what it is. If you don't notice... that reinforces my belief that we're doing it right. Again, no one is emailing Meade asking why they were deleted. We have identified the bad faithers, and you are enjoying the new comments policy and not noticing it. That's great!
"Perhaps a gentle remonstrance in the comment thread before deleting might be more effective and less time-consuming?"
Only a good faither responds to that. We delete bad faithers, and these are people who would feed off "gentle remonstrance." They leverage themselves with it. Seriously, we know what it is, and we have tried other methods. It only seems too severe to you because you are in good faith, and maybe you're afraid you'll express yourself too sharply and get deleted. I really don't think that can happen. But if it does, please click on the "write to Meade" link and talk to us about it. We haven't gotten caught mis-detecting bad faith yet, and we eagerly invite it.
Freeman Hunt said... "I do not think that Trooper York is J. J is his own thing."
I tend to think J has a kind of intelligence that isn't congruent with the kind of intelligence manifested by Trooper. But I notice that Trooper's antagonism dates to something he calls "Bloody Sunday," when I suddenly deleted a whole slew of comments. Discussed on the page called "You've come to the right place." That was a day when, if I have reconstructed my memory correctly, J started going on and on accusing people of being sockpuppets, and Trooper went back and forth with him. (There were screenfuls of accusations about sockpuppetry that I didn't think any normal reader would care about, and I called it clutter and took it out.) Now, I'm thinking that ridiculously long back and forth could have been Trooper craving recognition for clever sockpuppetry work and decided to persevere until he got it, but I cut him off, because he/they made a godawful mess of the comments, and I cleared out the mess. Thereafter his blog became a monument to the injury to his narcissism (ironically, drawing in commenters of mine whose feelings had been hurt by J). Anyway, it's just a theory, and I'm not going to obsess over conspiracy theories... at least not ones relating to people who are currently getting deleted as bad faithers. There's nothing worth delving into (unless it's about getting back to good faith).
"J is still here as Perezoso for those wanting to keep track. His writing style could be spotted in a pitch black room."
We know. And we delete him.
Paddy O said... "I think Trooper always commented in good faith, it was just more like a different religion."
I was very forgiving for a long, long time, but Meade and I have been reading and analyzing this more than you have -- unless you've been over-the-top obsessed with this blog for years -- and we arrived at the decision that he is one of the bad faithers. Sorry to say that.
12/22/11 10:00 AM
Ann Althouse said...
"Now that Ann is editing her blog's comments it is safe to assume that any racist bigoted comments left up has her blessing."
That is absolutely a false conclusion if you have read what I said with any understanding of the good faith/bad faith distinction.
You're getting very close to bad faith yourself with that.
BTW, "eat your words" is what I demand now instead of apologies.
You need to read more carefully, understand the relevant distinction, and come back and eat your words here publicly.
12/22/11 10:04 AM
Ann Althouse said...
"What ever happened to "I miss you. What can we do to work this out?""
Think of a person to whom saying that would exacerbate the problem and you'll have a better grasp on what we mean by bad faith.
12/22/11 10:12 AM
Ann Althouse said...
"Can we now say that Mr. Wright was, you know, right?"
No, because the bad faith problem is different. Let me repeat: "It's not about your point of view or your mode of expression. We love disputes and diversity. But I won't allow bad faith commenters to leverage their destructiveness on my commitment to free speech."
That is, people who knew about my commitment to free speech used it as a trick to do something that was about destroying the blog. Think of the Alinsky rule: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."
The bad faithers were using my rule against me like that.
12/22/11 10:15 AM
Ann Althouse said...
"But it's probably not a good idea to allow oneself to get emotional about it. It's the Internet, not face to face interaction. Most of the dysfunction and flouncing seems to come from having face to face emotional expectations for people one knows only online. Emotional interaction over the net is often nothing more than two people projecting onto each other's online identities."
You're being charitable in assuming that these bad faithers are people who are good at social interactions in real life.
12/22/11 10:19 AM
The Crack Emcee said...
I'm rambling here:
I don't know what to make of the new comment policy. And, since I was away when whatever happened with Troop, I can't speak on that - except to say he's questioned my posts about you, so I have a hard time understanding how he can be J. On the other hand, there's been a commenter on my blog, named the "Evil Blogger Lady," and Troop's the first follower on his/her blog, so anything could be happening.
What I can say is this:
I've challenged you on several grounds - ethics being one of them - because, when you're all over the board ethically, anything ugly is possible to happen. Letting standards slip, in that manner, is what makes neighborhoods into ghettoes and then killing fields - I've seen it. Some applaud you for, say, defending a pro-life position in posts, knowing you're pro-choice. I'm not one of them. Such a scattershot approach invites anger because there's no clear through-line and, in our society today, we desperately need one. And, yes, being a law professor doesn't help, making you appear to either denigrate (or at least not appreciate) the position as loftily as we may see it:
You're pretending to be some chick who's a law professor when, in reality, you're a law professor acting like some chick.
I see it as the Boomer/Hippie/NewAge thing - the ethos, that comes with those roles, to mischievously question even those things that, once mature, you should know are important (and settled) enough to be done questioning. A fetus is a baby - and we don't kill babies. That kind of thing.
Anyway, I don't know if any of that makes much sense, but, just off the top of my head, that's what I'm seeing/feeling. YMMV.
Also, I liked the blog better with Troop (and Shouting Thomas) than without him, but I understand that may be out of your/Meade's hands. One other thing, though:
You and Meade (and Glenn) never apologize for fucking up. But you're human - you do fuck up. Admitting your lapses in judgment can go a long way towards humanizing you in this clearly distancing format. You have power, however limited. This blog, like Instapundit, doesn't exist in a whatever-I-want-to-do vacuum - it affects lives. Copping to going off the rails occasionally is helpful. You don't lose points for it, but gain them. It may not seem like it, immediately, but some things don't.
I guess that's all I have left to say,...
12/22/11 10:23 AM
Kirby Olson said...
J is not a sockpuppet for Trooper. He's been commenting at my blog for at least seven years. He went to the University of Colorado and majored in philosophy. He has a pretty good understanding of the history of philosophy, and has other interests, too. He was raised a Catholic but now is seemingly devoted to reason whatever that is. He lives in Los Angeles but commutes to a city about twenty miles north of Los Angeles where he works as a computer programmer. He has girlfriends (he's not a loner thank God!), and he's an atheist. He's a real person. If he chooses to use his brain, he can, and does. I've sometimes deleted him for three years at a time, and then let him back in when he's more productive in tone. My commenting policy exists solely on account of him. We used to have freewheeling brawling comments that went on for 200 or more but he wrecked it by derailing the discussion. Managing J is a full-time job. But aside from a drone strike (ask Obama, as he specializes in those) I don't think we can get rid of him.
12/22/11 10:27 AM
Ann Althouse said...
Pogo: "Demanding that Althouse live up to a ginned-up code is pure Alinsky."
I quoted Alinsky before reading that. Obviously, I agree with you.
By committing myself to something, I gave the bad faithers something to use against me, but that doesn't mean I have to let it work. I need to stay on top of the game. I'm not going to be an unsophisticated dupe.
12/22/11 10:29 AM
Pogo said...
Alinsky's 4th rule uses the word enemy, which is key.
Bad faith means you perceive another as the enemy to be vanquished, by whatever it takes.
Discussion is not desired.
12/22/11 10:33 AM
Perezoso said...
J Edgar Meade marches on. Meade was like one of those young republicans for Nixon, maybe once smoked a joint, and was troubled by Nam. By the Reagan era, he was back to snitching and goosestepping. Sort of the Limbaugh of A-haus.
12/22/11 11:19 AM
BTW, I just cut and pasted various comments from my twin's most recent comment thread. Just in case they want to re-write history in the future. I am not Trooper or J. I am EBL.
But what do I know, I am just a cow.
Perezoso said...
Yr the shit here Hoosier, LDS satanist
God that? A-house--mostly LDS, wicca trash-- unfit for citizenship, voting, blogging, and all the other things real Americans are entitled to.
12/22/11 11:29 AM
But what do I know, I am just a cow.
And obviously not a cowed cow.
I read her post and comments this morning. I also thought it interesting that she quoted Trooper's early defense of J in the body of the post. She even insinuated that Trooper may be J. I guess the evidence was Troop's vigorous defense of J early on. She could have also quoted lots of blog posts here as well (now a few months ago) where TY even tried to give him a forum. This most recent "Bucowski" stuff even reminds me of that period.
But even if Trooper were privy to knowing more about J than the rest of us, his subsequent excoriation of J was well deserved and well executed.
In the end, J is just too unfunny to be Trooper York.
Have any of you read J's blog, Contingencies? I have a theory that J is every bit as sane as you and I , well, maybe you, my own sanity is in question;)
There may be some underlying pathology in that he feels the need to portray himself as a psycho . Or is it a brilliant mind bored with his life?
Something about him is so familiar. BUT J most definitely is NOT Trooper, that is outrageous and undoubtedly came from Meade, I don't believe Althouse is that stupid.
There may be some underlying pathology in that he feels the need to portray himself as a psycho.
That's his schtick alright-psycho. So are we supposed to laugh?
Or is it a brilliant mind bored with his life?
Oh yawn, superfuckingyawn.
Like I keep saying--when J started sending creepy emails and leaving comments and generally stalked--he crossed a bright line.
I have read J's blog. It is racist and nasty, but intentional. He is educated and not completely delusional. He enjoys spreading his anti Mormon, Jewish, misogynistic crap. But he is ultimately not funny.
I am sorry Ann is having some sort of control freak crisis. I hope she pulls it together. She could have just implemented a policy of deleting J months ago and none of this would have happened.
But what do I know, I am just a cow.
Chickie, I've heard you mention that, sorry I did forget he stalked you on your blogs. I am late to this party and some the sordid details of the J affair are still unknown to me.
That post made me kind of sad. Who is on the "Dirty Dozen" list, I wonder? If I am on it, I would like to know. That would be, well, I don't want to use the word sad again. But sad.
Darcy, maybe she will publish the list to placate her readers who are dying to know too. Inquiring minds want to know, me too.
That post made me kind of sad. Who is on the "Dirty Dozen" list, I wonder?
Well if I'm on it, I call dibs on Victor Franko.
A sort of cool "lattice of coincidence" thing is that we have the "The Dirty Dozen" at home right now from NetFlix. I'm going to watch it over Christmas with my son.
Ask Meade if you are on the list.
I think Althouse and Trooper are really a lot alike, just in the kind of way that frustrates the other, not in the kind of way that brings unity. Both like the idea of a freewheeling commentary, but then have their own way of squishing it at seemingly (though not entirely) random occasions.
I can't imagine thinking J and Trooper were the same. J has that arrogant, so trollish behavior, that undergraduate philosophy students have after gaining a slight familiarity with higher thinking but then not feeling satisfied in whatever occupation they pursue.
Trooper likes his life and doesn't seem to have to prove his worth to people.
Different kinds of humor result. And I still think Ann is wrong about Trooper writing in some supposed bad faith. In that respect she changed the rules, rules which for a long time celebrated folks like Titus (who was occasionally much more insidious in his attempted diversions).
But, I'm not really as obsessed with the Althouse blog as I should be in order to offer informed comment on that.
Though, personally, I liked Trooper's presence over there, riffing off the comments along the way.
I come here on occasion, but the riffs for their own sake just don't have the same thrill.
Also, the Angels are going to win the World Series this next year.
Hey, Paddy O!
Well said PaddyO.
Except the Angels part. But I assume that is because you are geographically challenged.
Hey Darcy!
EBL, I think you mean Geographically privileged.
EBL, I think you mean Geographically privileged.
Indeed. High of 71 forecast for Oceanside on Christmas Day.
PaddyO, It is cold out here in my pasture.
You know I hate you now!
when J started sending creepy emails and leaving comments and generally stalked--he crossed a bright line.
Ditto. Same thing on my blog, stalking and threats. I would not go to his blog since he seems to have an IP sniffer. Thinks he knows where you are located.
It is moronic to even think that Trooper could be J, or that Trooper is writing in bad faith...whatever that means. (I guess it means to destroy the comment threads.)
I still like to comment on some of the topics that interest me on the 'other' blog because I enjoy the dialogue with the other commenters.
However, mass deletion of commenters is going to remove the quirky humor and interesting side topics that have always made the internet interesting.
As I have said, if you don't like to read all of the comments or a particular person....that's why God invented the scroll wheel on your mouse. Or was that Bill Gates? I'm confused.
High of 71 forecast for Oceanside on Christmas Day
Boo at you. It was 10 degrees here last night and the high is expected to maybe top 39 or 40.
Boo at you. It was 10 degrees here last night and the high is expected to maybe top 39 or 40.
We may drive up to Palomar Mountain to look at the snow. :)
EBL, it's well known how happy the cows are in California.
I never got on J's nasty list, but he emailed me a couple of times about other commenters and how terrible they were. It was weird. That's partially why I'm not convinced by "he's a smart guy with a schtick". I think there was some other issues mixed in.
Chickenlittle, we're going up to Arrowhead for Christmas. Have to get some white color and find a place to wear a coat. All this blue sky and swaying palm trees are just not quite Christmasy.
PaddyO, Good to have you here, dude. I'm Posey of the Dirty Dozen. My posts are deleted in Narcisssus quicker than a whore starts sweating in church. Understand you do run a risk coming over to the Dirty Dozen and others. You will be consorting w/ bad faithers, guilt by association as it were.
Pujols is going to put on 30 lbs. and have back problems. Don't be shy about making tee times or travel plans in October, PaddyO
PaddyO, Wisconsin cows are pushing back against that propaganda.
Happy Cows come from Wisconsin, not California!
It's not well known but the happiest cows are actually Dutch, followed by Swiss cows. They treat their animals even more humanely.
Well, I miss Trooper anyway; he always makes me laugh.
Not sure why EBL copied my quote for here, as it had naught to do with Troop. But cows do dumb shit like that.
I got no dog in this fight, in fact, I am rather saddened there is a fight at all.
The unhappiest cows come from India, because while they do revere them, all that worship gives them a complex.
I rest my caste.
PaddyO, We spend winters in San Diego. You guys have huge factory farms like they do in NM and Texas. A corporation is trying to open the first one in Wi. but there is resistance. i'm no PETA guy but those factory farms are an eyesore, olfactory sore, and no way it's a good way to get milk. I'm sure it's a cost effective way, but not good for the cows or consumers.
PaddyO--congrats on the new little one!
Understand you do run a risk coming over to the Dirty Dozen and others. You will be consorting w/ bad faithers, guilt by association as it were.
It's cool. I've got lots of friends in low places.
PaddyO, We spend winters in San Diego.
You should try coming out for a summer during the Del Mar Fair in June/July if you wanna spoiled, happy cows--all raised locally.
"I rest my caste" You get the Mark Twain Wit Award, Chicky. The prize is a dot on the head.
Here's a funny story that is even funnier if you knew my sweet, tough, departed mother. Minnie got a parttime job back in the 1980's processing photos for a big outfit. one day the boss came in screaming. My mothers's job was to touch up and airbrush imperfections. She airbrushed dots on some Indian families heads and they were irate. Minnie just didn't know and felt horrible. When the boss saw my mother was mortified and didn't realize, he let it go.
Great, DBQ. Now my son wants me download that song so he can learn it.
: )
Del Mar Track "Where the turf meets the surf." I am not out there during the Del Mar season but I bet the track @ OTB. Santa Anita is open and we make trips up there..beautiful track, just beautiful.
Congrats PaddyO, hopefully the kid looks like mom.
LOL rcommal.
Have him learn this one too. Melt the girls hearts.
The Happiest Cows come from my area. You can't get much better treatment than these cows.
Well, until the end, that is. They play classical music to the cattle. Really. Plus many of them get rides down the mountain to the valley every year in the winter so they don't have to be in the cold.
The meat is actually a byproduct and the cows are really raised for the collagen and bones for medical purposes.
T
I found that the cows in India were not so much happy as content. Maybe they somehow knew that no harm would come to them.
In completely unrelated news, unique vistors in November were down 45% (year over year) at the Little Green Althouse blog.
Sock, Thanks for the link. Looking @ the graph dates, it would appear The Bad Faith Sheriffs are praying for more protests. "Police..police!"
The only posts getting comments are the ones where you can beef. She opened up a can o' worms and lost the fucking lid.
ndspinelli, don't try to confuse me with reality. The cows are happy. They're happy here, I tell you!
And thanks all! For those who missed it, we have a picture.
As far as hanging out here, I read more than I comment (unlike over there), but as I think both sides are right and wrong in contradictory ways, I figure I'm either above or below the fray enough not to have any problems with either side.
I'm going to divulge a secret, I was there that day in Madison, the guy was a rude ass, as was his buddy.
Althouse was upset that no one of us came to her rescue, you had to have been there to understand that she and Meade were there filming with a purpose, the fucking smirk on her face all the while was antagonizing the couple of protesters that were unstable. She should've read the situation better. But it's always about her, after all.
Her poor son got dragged into that situation by his mom and where the hell was Meade when his damsel was in distress? Trying to make himself look intelligent to another protestor, her son was the one who came to her rescue, good kid.
PaddyO, Hate to say it but your kid is monochrome. Seriously, I just said my prayer to Saint Gerard, the patron saint of mothers, asking for a healthy child. The kids got a good old man.
Pogo, I copied Ann's comment and think she was quoting you. That is how I think you got mixed up in this. But I have no issues with opossums or whatever sort of animal you are supposed to be.
But I might be wrong. I am a cow you know.
Allie, Here's the irony, I videotape people for a living[insurance fraud]. Obviously, I try not to be detected. But, I have been in crowds a few times when the subject got hinky. I was not in their face but when they thought they were under surveillance they get pissed. That's human nature, and I understand that. I have had shotguns in my face when my cover was blown, but I was never putting a camera in someones face! To stick a camera in someones face and then get outraged that the person gets pissed is stupid @ best but more likely w/ her, baiting..trying to create a victimhood.
I trust your assessment of Meade, I wasn't there. He's about half as smart as he thinks, and no balls.
*waves hello to all the Althouse people coming over to read and report back*
I'll save you the trouble: You're better than these people here!
There. :)
Suck ups.
Whether you honestly disagree with someone is another matter.
Is that your first PaddyO?
Sex determination by ultrasound is always a default determination for girls. With our first, a boy, it went like:
Nurse: "Do you want to know?"
Wife: "Yes"
Nurse: "It's a boy--see?"
Second time around, it was more like:
Nurse: "Well I don't see anything so it's a girl."
And congrats, Paddy O! I remember reading when you were going to get hitched.
Sweet.
@Darcy: Don't be angry, Darcy. TY has an enormous tent.
@chickelit:
Irish. =)
Just to be clear: I wasn't talking about the people who actually comment here.
Oh, whatever. It's all people thinking they are better than others. Better commenters. Wiser commenters. Smarter. Less boring. This applies to the real world as well.
The funny thing is that I then look down my (perhaps not as smart) nose at someone else for being an insufferable snob. Or a suck up. I'm guilty of the same thing, really. Judging myself above *fill in the blank*.
I'm not. I'm no better. But I'm going to poke a pin in that big balloon of pride, anyway. Because people rarely see it, and it bugs the heck out of me.
Which makes me better again...heh. Here we go.
I'm dizzy. (Be nice.)
And Trooper's enormous tent doesn't come from looking at photos all day either.
He is Irish too after all- or half-Irish.
Whatever.
Where is Trooper anyways?
I hope he's not somewhere else, being somebody else.
Darcy, You are a very wise person.
Nick
chickenlittle, it's our first. She was moving around in there, showing off, so we saw pretty clearly what was and wasn't there. But we've had lots of people tell us they were told it was a girl, only to find out it wasn't when the baby was born. So, we're open to changes.
Thanks, Darcy! It's been quite a change of pace for me the last few years.
What if it turns out that Trooper is actually Meade, or vice versa.
@PaddyO: Nice avi photo. Much better that the Willie Nelson one!
Paddy O said...
What if it turns out that Trooper is actually Meade, or vice versa.
I had that thought once too.
Can't we all get along?
The problem is, obviously not.
But wait, I have a solution. Which is to not care.
Okay, Althouse is an imperious bitch. But she's also industrious and curious and puts together the most catholic, small c, blog I've ever found on the internet. So you accept, or maybe the better word is disregard her little Marie Antoinette act and participate in the riches she brings.
By the same token is Troop perfect? Sixty told me he had to double his high blood pressure medication to cope with the spelling and punctuation errors that litter whose blog. But Troop brings laughter. The bestest gift of all.
So I says - since it costs me nothing to say it - live and let live.
And a Merry Crispness to All...but most of all to Tiny Tim.
Ho Ho Ho
Paddy O said...
What if it turns out that Trooper is actually Meade, or vice versa.
We're all (lesbian) sockpuppets here.
;-)
...that litter whose blog.
Trying to give poor Sixty an aneurysm?
Paddy O said...
What if it turns out that Trooper is actually Meade, or vice versa.
We're all (lesbian) sockpuppets here.
;-)
One interesting thing emerged from all this: Kirby Olson's details about J, which blew my Unitroll theory. Similar geography, different people.
I thought ALL the California-based trolls were the same person, or at least a group of like-minded people who knew each other.
I was wrong. But at this point, my interest in Althouse blog trolls is about as great as caring about the torn shipping label on the storage box under a table across the room here.
But I admit being wrong. My hypothesis has been disproven.
I've been thinking about resuming blogging, though, and it's good to have some accurate information about J in case he shows up to pester me. "Threatening kids," as Kirby Olson said, makes him a worry, but not, perhaps, as big a one if I were in California.
My own beef (pace, EBL) with Althouse long predates the Trooper kerfluffle, and, in fact, did start with Palladian. And my annoyance with Althouse runs deeper than comment deletion, one way or another.
But I still have a lot of work to do, Christmas is coming, and it isn't worth the time or effort to rehash it.
I do, however, want to respond to the foul cavil uttered against The Dirty Dozen that we were uncivil in real life.
Nothing could be further from the truth. For my part, I am handsome, polite, witty and personable to a fault. Imagine Cary Grant with a better chin, and you have the very picture of your correspondent.
Just so you know.
I'm going to take credit for the New Althouse Woman and The Lawnboy's New Comment Bullshit.
She had a post titled:
11/11/11!
What will you do with all the eleventosity today?
Something special at 11 a.m. and 11 p.m.?
I responded:
AllenS said...
I don't give a damn about 11/11/11, but I would like to say to all of the veterans out there: "HAPPY VETERANS DAY and thank you for serving.
11/11/11 8:27 AM
Then she posted: ADDED: I'm getting justly slaughtered in the comments for not recognizing Veterans Day:
I reponded: I wouldn't worry about it. You've never recognized Veterans Day before. If you don't feel comfortable talking about veterans or their activities, then don't.
11/11/11 9:29 AM
I knew at that time, that I had rubbed her wrong. A simple observation by me, which I had watched over the years of commenting there. She just doesn't like veterans or our military. Unless, you'r being kind and considerate at her cruel neu... bullshit.
And, don't forget when the law boy shows up and says:
Meade said...
Happy Veterans Day and thanks!
Without you, we'd be "celebrating" elf/elf/elf.
11/11/11 8:52 AM
elf/elf/elf
Sure, lawn boy.
Unfortunately, when she got down, she chose a back and forth between me and Roger and Allie, when she decided to ridicule our comments. Big whoop.
Rickshaw Pic - I just had my physical, my BP was 120/70. No meds were involved. And, if you have been paying attention, I haven't said much about spelling or grammar or HIDEOUS WRITING OR RUN ON SENTENCES FOR QUITE SOME TIME! Oops, better reel that back in - my bad. But seriously, I am not as peevish about such things as I once was.
And since the subject of the Gardener who plants his seed in a dry infertile plot and the GREAT ATTENTION WHORE OF MADISON is about to be let go, I just want to say that I don't wish them well, that they deserve each other and really, the less said about such obnoxious liberals the better. Meade says he is somehow required to defend the **** he is married to, but is too stupid to understand that she is a feminist who does not need to be defended. Or she is a phony. Which is it? Who cares? Nothing could be more fitting than the hope that they spend the rest of their lives together.
Farewell to all that, and I say that in the best of faith.
Hey, wasn't Blind Faith a great super group? Man, they sure recorded a great record...
Actually, ricpic, I think it's more a Katherine the Great act, with Potemkin trimming the lawn.
But what do I know? I've been sent to Siberia.
Ann Althouse said...
"Went to TY's blog and came across the "Althouse is like Nixon" post. Beyond weird. And mean-spirited. There are a good number of folks who hold the Althouse blog to a *very* high standard... yet apparently find this sort of behind-the-back ranting-- from a purported tough guy, no less--acceptable. I don't get it. I have never understood why that blog changed from a fun place to discuss went on here, in the undercurrents... to such obvious resentment, jealousy, and nastiness."
Thanks, Knox. There are tons of posts like that over there. It's very creepy and stalker-y. And yet Trooper has a store that sells clothing to women, a store that he frequently names and promotes on his blog. And he has a wife who presumably reads his blog... a wife who has met me and must care about the reputation of her store and the way women view it. And how can a woman accept her husband obsessing about another woman (even in a negative way)... and doing it conspicuously on the web, where her customers can see it? (I'm deliberately refraining from naming the store to spare her the distress of this post coming up in a search of the store's name.)
12/22/11 3:59 PM
Hmmm, who is the one acting, stalkery (and confirming her Nixonian tendencies). But what do I know, I am just a cow.
Thanks for the kind comment, Nick.
I am going to stick with my theory of alcohol induced dementia until she rights her own ship. Clearly she is off her rocker.
Sixty,
Some years ago, and I believe before you showed up and started to comment, there was an individual named Trademark Dave and others, who always talked about her and her box of wine. I didn't think about it at the time, but maybe they knew her and observed her. Again, she never seemed to have any friends. Then a commenter named Mary, who took her law school classes with the EBL showed up and tried to talk about the EBL and was banned from commenting. She just doesn't like people talking about her life. There's something there.
And yet she and plowboy go on and on about each other and publicize their vows, their trips and their freakin' food for goodness sake! Trooper is right - they are a match made in heaven.
Hey Sixty, we liberals don't want her either. She's neither liberal , nor conservative , at this point I don't really give damn what she is.
Sixty glad you are feeling better.
I have to watch my blood pressure these days too so I know what a pain in the ass it can be.
Just be careful of the most dangerous BP reading of of all:
70 over 20.
Just sayn'
I need some more great suggestions for series like the Charles Bukowski having panda sex thingy.
That was inspired.
I just want to say to PaddyO that you are a true man of faith and I really respect you.
Congratulations on the addition to the family. All the best.
More Doris Kearns Goodwin! :)
BP of 70/20 you are in shock and near death.
Whether you favor Marie Antoinette or Katherine the Great, those with an interest in the late 18th century, Sugar Plum Fairies and lead poisoning might want to check out this comment I left today over on Amba's blog.
Just doin' my bit, Troop - you took the ball(s) and ran with it (them).
70 over 20 is a family tradition, just sayin'.
And the secret to my low blood pressure and low cholesterol is to eat a lot of salt and bacon, then do hard physical labor all day. None of that "Oh, look, honey, I planted some gay bulbs in your gay yard" work, either, more like "Run, motherfucker, that tree is going to flatten your ass" kind of work. But I have said too much, as usual...
Actually Allie 70 over 20 should have read 70 over 30 and it is a joke about Nelson Rockefeller.
I am in full support of gay bulbs and gay yards.
Follow the link and you will understand grasshopper.
Sixty, I was teasing you.
Although I really sorta mean it. Gay yards are gorgeous! Have you guys ever seen chuckb's backyard? Lovely.
Hey, you gotta post visuals of the Rubens in Aviator Glasses if you're gonna bring up 70 over 30. I get the hots just thinkin' on her....of her.
Trooper,oh I see, thanks for filling me in, I thought poor Sixty was near death, lol.
TTB, I read your comment over there, you are getting rave reviews, deservedly so.
Your comment over there was fascinating, Tim. Nothin' wrong with new topics!
Thanks, Allie, Darcy.
Well, some comments are better than others. Did that in the morning when I was awake, unlike the just-zapped one.
Well, break's over. Back to work...all night, if it comes to it.
Last Shipping Day of the Year tomorrow. Ugh.
I wanna know more about Harsh Pencil.
In a totally non-stalkerly way. :)
Look out!
Cougar on the prowl!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hmmph. I said non-stalkerly! That means non-prowly too!
I am not a cougar. lol
Thanks Trooper.
I've long enjoyed your comments here and there, and am sad there's a parting of ways. You have a great mix of insight and irreverence that makes me think and makes me smile.
But, I will be there and will be hereabouts too.
I hope you are enjoying both PaddyO. I didn't delete or ban anyone other than J so anyone is welcome here. I don't measure the comments to see if they are what I want to hear. I don't think that is right. But people should do what they want to do. I don't encourage anyone not to go there. I believe in freedom and free expression.
You input would be greatly appreciated.
Darcy: I am not a cougar.
And I am not young.
And BTW, the Nelson Rockefeller post has me cracking up.
And (three ands?) the "not Nixon but Trump" business is correct. I never posted much over there, but always skimmed the comments. Would skip over Titus and tried to avoid the political stuff (not always successfully) but loved it when Trooper got on a roll with one comment after another. Funny stuff. Will miss it.
You can always pop by here Harsh Pencil. This is home base for yuks.
You can even sit next to Darcy. Just sayn'
*blush*
The idea that Trooper would obsessively post unfunnily hateful, semi-literate, racist snipes on his own blog until he banned his own sock-puppet of a self (and repeatedly scolded the same self and deleted his own non-posts for persisting in the same) is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard.
Someone would have to be utterly inept in the realm of character analysis to think something like this. And it's not like Althouse wouldn't have had ample opportunities and motives to have achieved any insight into Trooper's character. She had commenter meet-up parties, admired his comments and fucking linked to him, for crying out loud.
Chickenlittle is one of the least (if not the least) malicious, disingenuous or unhinged people associated with these commentariats. He would either have to be lying, or incapable of perceiving that his own mutually-linked buddy in blogging, Trooper, was stalking him, in order for Althouse's brainfart of a theory to have any validity.
Of course, you could equally conclude that she is just being disingenuous, which is the same quality that she equates with "bad faith".
It's likely that she's a low-level, narcissistic opportunist who's too paranoid for the difference between these explanations to matter. Her inability (feigned or real) to read into the character of others seems to betray just that sort of a diagnosis.
What's incredible to me is that anyone on Althouse's blog is credulous enough to refrain from jumping down her throat for even suggesting something so dumb. Anyone more obscure or more prominent than her would have been excoriated for this pointless exercise in 9/11 conspiracy-caliber nuttery. But she's got just the right amount of semi-notorious almost-fame for a handful of hangers-on to stand up and say, "Ok! Uh... sure! I'll try that!".
And so do the people who publish accounts of their experiences with alien abductions, millenialism, Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster and other intellectual absurdities.
Here's my take on the whole thing over there. Comment 326 I think. Meade kind of responded, and did so civilly. Pretty much my last word on the subject.
As the Irish would say, because they don't like to take the name of the Lord in vain, "Oh for Fuck's sake!"
TY and EBL aren't trying to destroy this blog and aren't stalking or acting creepy. They are ridiculing you two. Some may find this completely misplaced and see this as ridiculing people who have acted perfectly reasonably, and thus not see the ridicule as funny or apt. Others, including me, see it as funny and well deserved. That doesn't mean I hate you, want to destroy you, want to stalk you, or want to destroy this blog. It's just different strokes for different folks.
But holy moly, the very act of not being able to see the difference between someone ridiculing you and someone creepily stalking you is itself quite worthy of ridicule. And the "does his wife know how he's treating poor little me" stuff is also worthy of ridicule.
As always, your blog, so your rules. I believe in private property. But that doesn't mean someone who thinks the new rules are stupid and you are acting weird and paranoid is somehow acting in bad faith for saying so.
So there you have the rather studly comment that prompted me to inquire about Harsh Pencil.
Nice last word.
So, can we call this idiotic attempt to identify Trooper as a sock-puppet for J. "Trooper Trutherism"?
I'm looking forward to the day when Althouse finally breaks down and credits Trooper with being behind the true identities of Santa Claus, Tinkerbell, and The Tooth Fairy.
Wack is as wack does.
Thanks Ritmo but we have to let it go.
I really feel sorry for them now.
I hope you are feeling better and your job stuff worked out ok. That's what is most important.
These people are a mere bag of shells.
Dude, you have no choice but to not take that kind of insanity personally. She's become her own joke. I know it can be hard to see, but trust me.
Work is going better and better. Having the clout to deal successfully with people who have psychological issues makes you stronger. It's stressful but helping me to see things even more clearly than I might have before. It's great when you get to a position where even people directly above you can only do so much, and have to respect the position you've achieved with people above even them.
Anyway, I'm sure you're best off forgetting about it, and apologies for not getting the chance to post that comment when you were still letting off steam. But you've got to trust me, man. The post about you was so insane that it speaks for itself. Sometimes it's hard to see if you're caught up in the back-and-forth of it. But for outsiders who've had space and time for distance, it's obvious for me that it moved beyond performance art and into dancing pink elephant territory. That's been the direction that place has been headed for a long time. You don't have to gloat or challenge yourself to feel a sense of contempt about it; I'm just saying...
Well, my dad said it best: Making fun of a dumb (or deranged) animal is mean.
You're well positioned to look the other way without it taking anything from you. Train wrecks are a damn shame, but you didn't cause this one and don't have to feel bad about it.
However unstudly the presentation or even how unstudly am I, I did state flat out that not for a second do I believe that Trooper = J.
FWIW, NDNM.
I know rcommal. Someone emailed me that exchange. I appreciate it. They are just failing about. Like crabs in a bucket. It's sad really.
I am just afraid in a month or two they will come around and try to reignite this stuff.
It obviously led to many comments on their blog.
I don't want to feed them.
Thank you for your friendship. I value it highly.
Hey, any publicity is good publicity, right?
That's the theory.
But that's hdhouse's theory and I know what you think of that Sixty.
I hope this blows over soon.
I need to do more Pablo Neruda alligator sex posts.
Commies will schtoink anything, eh? Neruda, hdhouse, whomever...
You say that like it is a bad thing.
I mean you have to overlook a little underarm hair and the smell of patchpouli oil but what the fuck...back in the day....a man has to do what a man has to do.
They might have been Reds but remember they are all pink on the inside. Just sayn'
I thought "harsh" was a chick.
I thought Blake was a girl's name.
Harsh Pencil: Nice last word, indeed.
I prefer the old expression, "making Sport of," when describing mockery. It has that sturdy, 18th century ring.
"Ridicule" is to my mind a little harsh.
But, unwilling to debate stylistic niceties at this hour, I'll only say, yours was a fine comment, no matter what, and wish you a good night.
And, Trooper, will you give me credit for the "Whose that author" line?
I think I was the first to use it around here, or maybe anywhere.
Of course Tim. I will do a post to that effect.
My impression is that it's two entirely different goals with blogs. Althouse really does have more of a professional and personal investment, something that she's protective of and learning what that means. I think the whole OWS and Wisconsin stuff actually shook some of her own positions, the free speech that closes down restaurants effect. I write books when I get the chance and so understand what it means to protect one's voice, it's ego in a way but it's not that in a base way. There's a sort of extroverted identity going on, one that includes others but is still protective of one's identity. It's an academic thing, too. Steering discussions, shedding light. As it's law school, there's a socratic goal happening. Meade, I think gets this, and is protective of her.
Hereabouts, and with your comments, I get the sense its really more about distraction and entertainment. You have your life, but have this creative outlet because you're too smart to stand around spacing hangers or staring out the window for hours at a time.
That's probably why, ultimately, these approaches don't mix well. You're goofy with a veneer of occasional serious for your blogs. She's serious with an occasional veneer of goofiness. The match was made with the veneer but didn't go much deeper.
You're both very thoughtful, but have a blog and make comments for very different reasons.
I have a hard time taking sides, mostly because I like both kinds of blogs and comments.
Plus she called me cute and you've never done that. Yet.
prefer the old expression, "making Sport of," when describing mockery. It has that sturdy, 18th century ring.
Except that those two things--those two things referenced--are two entirely different things, and, in addition, that there are entirely different things in addition to those two different things.
I usually do not dilate upon niceties of style at midnight, but, for rcommal's sake, here are a few references to explain my preference for "making sport of" and "mockery" over "ridicule."
Exemplary quote:
TY and EBL aren't trying to destroy this blog and aren't stalking or acting creepy. They are ridiculing you two. Some may find this completely misplaced and see this as ridiculing people who have acted perfectly reasonably, and thus not see the ridicule as funny or apt.
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From the OED:
ridicule |ˈrɪdɪkjuːl|
noun [ mass noun ]
the subjection of someone or something to mockery and derision: he is held up as an object of ridicule.
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sport |spɔːt|
noun
...
• archaic a source of amusement or entertainment: I do not wish to show myself the sport of a man like Wildeve.
PHRASES
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make sport of [dated] make fun of.
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From the Oxford Thesaurus:
CHOOSE THE RIGHT WORD
mockery, ridicule, derision
These three words reflect increasing degrees of scorn.
■ Mockery is the least severe. While it is usually intended to humiliate (stung by her mockery, Frankie hung his head), it can also express affectionate amusement (‘Liar,’ he said with soft mockery). It can also mean ‘a worthy object of mockery’ in the phrase a mockery of (after a mockery of a trial, he was executed), but the sense is usually considerably weakened, especially (however serious the subject) in the cliché make a mockery of (modern technology has made a mockery of the 1959 Obscene Publications Act).
■ Ridicule is more intense, the aim being not so much to provoke or tease the victim as to cause others to laugh at them (Puritans were frequently subjected to ridicule and abuse at the hands of their contemporaries).
■ Derision is still crueller and more contemptuous (Eline would forget the hurtful words spoken in derision). The phrase of derision is commonly used to qualify a description of a scornful noise (the answer was a snort of derision).
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The hour may be late, and my mind elsewhere, but I am not sure what our old friend is getting at, perspecatious as she may be.
mockery, ridicule, derision
These three words reflect increasing degrees of scorn.
Where does ball busting rank on that scale?
In modern times, given that it is modern times, I'd argue that "derision" is the mildest and that "mockery"--specifically due to its almost universal embracing by everyone as such a fab, accountability-free thing--is the worst.
Let's start with that. : )
Then, if you like, we can talk about "ridicule" and how that's turned out to be a different proposition, IMO, and why I think so.
As for "make sport of," that one is pretty clear, and it doesn't require much updating, now, does it?
harsh,
I thought Blake was a girl's name.
It is, depending on the mood I'm in.
ride bene chi ride l'ultimo
~Italian Proverb
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